Dr. Luc (Luke) van Loon

So if you have the fat-free mass, all the organ mass and the muscle, and actually say like, hey, 0.8 for an 80-year-old or 80-kilogram-weighing man, then also relate it to the 0.8 based on those 80 kilograms and not on the 20 or 40 excess fat depots that you have on you.

Yeah, I mean, there's so many options.

I mean, you can make a body volume scan.

There's nice apps nowadays.

We heard it yesterday in the conference also.

But you can also do a DEXA scan or body circumference measurements.

But most people know how much overweight they are.

Come on.

I mean, if you're 180, you know that somewhere between 80 and for a meal, you should be somewhere between 80 and 90 kilograms.

If you're 110, it's probably you have about 20 kilograms excess.

I'm now taking myself as an example.

You know how much overweight you are.

Most people do know that.

robust enough to improve strength i mean so i think that the nutritional benefits of gaining muscle mass and strength depends on the availability of protein and the gaining of muscle mass of course and then also the capacity to do that training because they also interact of course but if you go back like hey the fat-free mass could also be a little bit organ mass of course

And so maybe some of that gain in fat-free mass is actually in the organs and not necessarily in the muscle.

That's also possible.

But muscle mass and muscle strength are not that tightly regulated or coupled, as you think.

I mean, you know that yourself, if you go to the gym and you have never been there, the first four, five weeks, you see that your strength goes up tremendously.

I mean, you take that pin and you put it on 20 kilograms, and a week later you put it on 30, and four weeks later you put it on 40, and you think, this is awesome.

And how much strength am I gaining?