Dr. Luc (Luke) van Loon

I mean, you challenge the body.

I mean, exercises.

I mean, I can make a statement.

I mean, I can make a marketing statement that the worst thing to do for the body is actually doing exercise.

You cause inflammation.

You cause oxidative stress.

It's really bad for you.

It increases heart rate.

but actually it sets off the whole process that makes you healthier.

So just looking at what happens with one meal is not giving you the full picture of what it does for health.

I like the discussions, of course, of hypercaloric diets and overeating and undereating.

in the light of animal experiments.

I mean, we know that a lot of times when you have rodents in a cage and you give them ad libitum foods, they actually overconsume.

I mean, we would do the same thing if you're actually sitting in a room and they're bringing you constant just warm croissants and everything, you're going to overeat.

So the animals do that as well.

And then they give them a hypercaloric diet or they give them less food and then they're healthier.

That's not necessarily that the hypercaloric diet was actually making them healthy.

It is that the control trial is actually unhealthy.

And we are that only control trial.

But that brings us back to requirements.