Dr. Martin Abbass

But it's a lot better now.

And indeed, when you start talking to people, especially if you are a learned individual like myself,

who hopefully knows a little bit about it uh you know i can i can you know make a good sort of showing of myself you know um and and you know given what for as it were when they sort of challenged me about certain things so it depends on the individual that you're talking to um in terms of how they respond as well i think

I think in that situation, there is potentially...

a phenomenon where people who go through some emotional event, there seems to be more sort of contacts as it were.

So I think there's something about that that's going on.

And indeed, I tried to look into that previously with a small research project, but unfortunately, there wasn't enough people to give us meaningful data, unfortunately.

But that aside, I think doctors have to be compassionate.

And whether it was real or not, the patient was suffering.

And much like our preparedness plan, it's packaged in such a way as to

have patients as a focus at a population level, of course, but it's compassionate.

It isn't sort of so clinical that it's not done in a way, it's not done in a way that would be negative, it's more of a positive.

Yeah, we've got the precautionary principle in 1992 where at the Rio Declaration, they said that if a harm is going to be caused to a human, there should be a response created.

And of course, if we had Operation Cygnus in 2016 and Crimson Contagion in 2019, they were the influenza ones.

But you can be prepared.

I think it was Mike Tyson that said, everyone's prepared until you get punched in the face and then it all goes wrong.

But if you're not prepared at all,

It's like getting in the ring with him and you're a 12-year-old Boy Scout.

You're going to get destroyed and pummeled.

And so in this situation, we are giving a starter for 10 at least for preparedness so that we're not sort of on the back foot straight away as we kind of were in COVID.