Dr. Martin Abbass

It holds true for many forms of disclosure or other events as well.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really good question.

I mean, if you look at the work of Kunz, the analysis that he showed is that when a paradigm shifting thing happens or something significant happens, it's never a smooth transition.

And obviously the speed with which this happens, it's definitely not going to be smooth.

And obviously there are varying degrees about how people respond to something.

So Calhoun in 2004 looked at that and the varying degrees of response.

Look, it's going to depend on the individuals themselves.

What this plan is designed to do is to, prior to disclosure happening, set up the scenario where stigma can be reduced.

People can have conversations about the potential event from happening so that you can then reduce the level of chaos which may occur when something like this might happen.

Because, yes, scientists are high up on our list, 20% of the sort of

We have some sort of figures.

I won't mention the figures.

You should look them up, obviously, because it's quite large numbers of people possibly being affected.

And we figure that approximately 10% to 30% of the overall population that we consider might be at risk of this thing called ontological shock, which we haven't really discussed yet.

are at risk of requiring some sort of input.

And if, of course, the clinicians are the ones that are at risk as well, I mean, how are they going to provide the input?

So we have a response to that with

advice understanding and knowledge for the clinicians even prior to this event and obviously that's one of the reasons why we want to get this taken up so that we are prepared unfortunately that does require reduction of stigma it requires introduction of high-level teams potential training for them maybe with an online resource an online one-hour module you know the type of treatment that people may get if it's for high-risk individuals

It may be very similar to what they already provide, but with an understanding about the nature of UAP and the understanding about how they may need to sort of respond to them and talk to them.