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Dr Mary Bateman

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You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

I think fan fiction is an excellent way of describing it. I've heard it called that in my lectures, particularly as it really snowballs. So what Greg's referring to here is the romance tradition that starts in Europe, which is very hard to summarise because it just explodes so quickly. Geoffrey's text is translated, so it's originally in Latin.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

I think fan fiction is an excellent way of describing it. I've heard it called that in my lectures, particularly as it really snowballs. So what Greg's referring to here is the romance tradition that starts in Europe, which is very hard to summarise because it just explodes so quickly. Geoffrey's text is translated, so it's originally in Latin.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

a handy lingua franca for the period, and it's translated very, very quickly into French by a Channel Islander called Wass, into English, translations of it all across Europe and into Welsh as well, actually. So, yeah, from the 12th century, we start to see Arthurian literature being composed.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

a handy lingua franca for the period, and it's translated very, very quickly into French by a Channel Islander called Wass, into English, translations of it all across Europe and into Welsh as well, actually. So, yeah, from the 12th century, we start to see Arthurian literature being composed.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

The lion's share of Arthurian romance, really, most innovative Arthurian romance that we see at the earliest date is in French, which, of course, is a prestige language in much of Europe.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

The lion's share of Arthurian romance, really, most innovative Arthurian romance that we see at the earliest date is in French, which, of course, is a prestige language in much of Europe.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Essentially. Yeah. So in French, these texts are called romans, which is still the word for novel today in modern French. And then in England, when you start seeing these texts called romance, it's clear that they are, it's actually used for any text that's written in French originally, it doesn't even have to have like knights and everything else.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Essentially. Yeah. So in French, these texts are called romans, which is still the word for novel today in modern French. And then in England, when you start seeing these texts called romance, it's clear that they are, it's actually used for any text that's written in French originally, it doesn't even have to have like knights and everything else.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yeah, so we think it's to do with romance, like literature originally being written kind of in Latinate. Some of these authors in particular, I'm thinking here of Marie de France, who I'll talk about in a second, also Chrétien of Troyes, Chrétien de Troyes.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yeah, so we think it's to do with romance, like literature originally being written kind of in Latinate. Some of these authors in particular, I'm thinking here of Marie de France, who I'll talk about in a second, also Chrétien of Troyes, Chrétien de Troyes.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

They really are interested in these big questions about how a knight balances his chivalric, his martial obligations with, you know, being courtly and refined and being a lover.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

They really are interested in these big questions about how a knight balances his chivalric, his martial obligations with, you know, being courtly and refined and being a lover.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

And Arthur in these texts becomes, we call him a raffinéant, a do-nothing king. He's a lot less important than his knights and all of their affairs and adventures and things like that. And Lancelot is actually, he isn't even in the Arthurian tradition prior to Roman.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

And Arthur in these texts becomes, we call him a raffinéant, a do-nothing king. He's a lot less important than his knights and all of their affairs and adventures and things like that. And Lancelot is actually, he isn't even in the Arthurian tradition prior to Roman.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

The round table is first mentioned in... Do you remember earlier I mentioned Wass, the Channel Islander, who translates Geoffrey and adapts it, makes it more interesting.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

The round table is first mentioned in... Do you remember earlier I mentioned Wass, the Channel Islander, who translates Geoffrey and adapts it, makes it more interesting.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yes, and one of the additional details that he includes is that a circular table is produced that can seat knights all the way around it with no hierarchy. So it's to get rid of squabbling about seniority. In the Grail texts, this is developed a bit, so there's always a seat that's left vacant called the siege perilous or the dangerous chair, the dangerous seat.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yes, and one of the additional details that he includes is that a circular table is produced that can seat knights all the way around it with no hierarchy. So it's to get rid of squabbling about seniority. In the Grail texts, this is developed a bit, so there's always a seat that's left vacant called the siege perilous or the dangerous chair, the dangerous seat.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yeah. And the idea being that it's deadly to sit in. The only person who can sit in it has to be the most pure knight going. And that's the only one who can achieve the quest for the Grail.

You're Dead to Me
Legends of King Arthur: from medieval literature to modern myth

Yeah. And the idea being that it's deadly to sit in. The only person who can sit in it has to be the most pure knight going. And that's the only one who can achieve the quest for the Grail.