Dr. Mary Claire Haver

So being able to ameliorate that in part with hormone therapy is one of my favorite parts of my job.

Did you see that paper last year?

It was presented at menopause society meeting, which I did virtually.

And it was a woman who wrote a paper called, I just don't feel like myself in perimenopause and really quantified it.

Like now we can use that as a medical term.

And now I like use that all the time on social media because it's now considered a medical term that a woman has just, she doesn't feel like herself.

And that often is the first sign.

Right.

Let's talk about calories in, calories out.

Is that the biggest thing you had to kind of rethink through once you left surgical practice and got into lifestyle and obesity medicine?

Right.

I also...

had to learn how to really believe women and get out of the bias.

And that was kind of built into the system of women tend to just be emotional.

I mean, and I was taught that women tend to somaticize psychological problems.

It's not clear if it's not on the checklist that we gave you, then, well, she's just a little bit crazy.

Now, what did you say on Mel Robbins, a whiny woman?

Whiny woman.

I mean, that was my intern year.

The WW, well, she was Caucasian.