Dr. Matt Walker

You can cook these capsules and you can get a timed release and you would want to take it before bed.

And then maybe after about five,

four or five hours, you would want to kick it into gear because now you're in.

So it's a little bit tricky.

I like that way of thinking and you do have to be careful because in biology,

It's often rare that there are any free lunches in truth.

Nature's optimized our systems so exquisitely that when you start to try and game the system for one thing, be very mindful that it may come at the cost of something else.

And that's why

whenever we're doing these types of sort of developments of technologies for sleep, we are very cautious not just to say, did we improve the thing that we're targeting?

But first call of business in medicine is not will this drug help you?

But firstly, is there any downside in terms of will this drug hurt you?

And then you have to understand the cost ratio benefit between those two things.

I mean- No, you don't want to mess with that cocktail ratio that we described in the first episode.

We presume that it's emerged as the correct, you know, Da Vinci code of sleep stage recipes.

And...

There may be a time and a place where you want to over-index on one of those things for whatever reason, but to do it consistently and permanently, I would again say, if you think within the space of a lifetime that you know something that 2.6 million years of evolution has not understood,

chances are you're probably wrong.

Thank you again.

A delight.

Cannot wait for the next recording.