Dr. Matthew Walker

For example, if you look across a longitudinal study, and if we, I mean, we haven't been assessing the gut microbiome for probably long enough to have good longitudinal data yet in the gut microbiome, but we've got plenty of longitudinal data in sleep, meaning we've started off assessing people in their 30s or their 40s, track them over 15, 20 years,

For example, if you look across a longitudinal study, and if we, I mean, we haven't been assessing the gut microbiome for probably long enough to have good longitudinal data yet in the gut microbiome, but we've got plenty of longitudinal data in sleep, meaning we've started off assessing people in their 30s or their 40s, track them over 15, 20 years,

and then asked, is the sleep that they've been having across their life predictive of their all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, cancer mortality? And we've got that data. What we now need is to look at gut health and ask, as that sleep is declining across the lifespan longitudinally, what happens to the gut?

and then asked, is the sleep that they've been having across their life predictive of their all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, cancer mortality? And we've got that data. What we now need is to look at gut health and ask, as that sleep is declining across the lifespan longitudinally, what happens to the gut?

and then asked, is the sleep that they've been having across their life predictive of their all-cause mortality, cardiovascular mortality, cancer mortality? And we've got that data. What we now need is to look at gut health and ask, as that sleep is declining across the lifespan longitudinally, what happens to the gut?

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No, yeah. Of a certain type to really enjoy that type of stuff. Exactly.

No, yeah. Of a certain type to really enjoy that type of stuff. Exactly.

No, yeah. Of a certain type to really enjoy that type of stuff. Exactly.

That's right. And to me, that's one of the exciting parts of it. Because it's treatable. Is that it's both treatable and it's a novel, you know, is it a novel sleep aid pathway? I don't know. I don't know if it's powerful enough to come close to that. It may not be.

That's right. And to me, that's one of the exciting parts of it. Because it's treatable. Is that it's both treatable and it's a novel, you know, is it a novel sleep aid pathway? I don't know. I don't know if it's powerful enough to come close to that. It may not be.

That's right. And to me, that's one of the exciting parts of it. Because it's treatable. Is that it's both treatable and it's a novel, you know, is it a novel sleep aid pathway? I don't know. I don't know if it's powerful enough to come close to that. It may not be.

I mean, I love to see the data. But it's interesting. I'm not trying to be too skeptical, because as scientists and doctors, you and I both know absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So don't judge too quick. But right now, I think the jury's out. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I love to see the data. But it's interesting. I'm not trying to be too skeptical, because as scientists and doctors, you and I both know absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So don't judge too quick. But right now, I think the jury's out. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, I love to see the data. But it's interesting. I'm not trying to be too skeptical, because as scientists and doctors, you and I both know absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So don't judge too quick. But right now, I think the jury's out. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, when you have sleep disruption, yeah.

Yeah, when you have sleep disruption, yeah.

Yeah, when you have sleep disruption, yeah.