Dr. Matthew Walker

So I think I'm probably a pretty good example of somebody that was like a, how would you say, chronotype fluid. Oh, you're a genius, Chris. I love it. Being in my 20s, and like I say, I was adamant. I'm just, you know, I'm a night owl. I...

So I think I'm probably a pretty good example of somebody that was like a, how would you say, chronotype fluid. Oh, you're a genius, Chris. I love it. Being in my 20s, and like I say, I was adamant. I'm just, you know, I'm a night owl. I...

finished my every single assignment at my two degrees at uni were all done at three in the morning you know that was sort of where i came alive i used to have my most my most sort of creative moments between about 10 p.m and maybe one in the morning i could really sort of drill down um and then covid comes along and i was i was already starting i mean this is after your episode on rogan had come out so i'd already realized i needed to start to prioritize sleep in a

finished my every single assignment at my two degrees at uni were all done at three in the morning you know that was sort of where i came alive i used to have my most my most sort of creative moments between about 10 p.m and maybe one in the morning i could really sort of drill down um and then covid comes along and i was i was already starting i mean this is after your episode on rogan had come out so i'd already realized i needed to start to prioritize sleep in a

finished my every single assignment at my two degrees at uni were all done at three in the morning you know that was sort of where i came alive i used to have my most my most sort of creative moments between about 10 p.m and maybe one in the morning i could really sort of drill down um and then covid comes along and i was i was already starting i mean this is after your episode on rogan had come out so i'd already realized i needed to start to prioritize sleep in a

covid comes along i was like well i'll just see what happens i guess and i started to get myself a morning routine that was unnecessarily elaborate and then i over the last what four four and a half years since that came along my natural wake time now is 7 a.m if you don't put an alarm on i will get up at 7 a.m i will go to bed at the moment i'm going to bed at like 7 p.m or 8 p.m which i need to have a chat with you about yeah but uh

covid comes along i was like well i'll just see what happens i guess and i started to get myself a morning routine that was unnecessarily elaborate and then i over the last what four four and a half years since that came along my natural wake time now is 7 a.m if you don't put an alarm on i will get up at 7 a.m i will go to bed at the moment i'm going to bed at like 7 p.m or 8 p.m which i need to have a chat with you about yeah but uh

covid comes along i was like well i'll just see what happens i guess and i started to get myself a morning routine that was unnecessarily elaborate and then i over the last what four four and a half years since that came along my natural wake time now is 7 a.m if you don't put an alarm on i will get up at 7 a.m i will go to bed at the moment i'm going to bed at like 7 p.m or 8 p.m which i need to have a chat with you about yeah but uh

I will get up at 7am and I don't know, I don't know how much of it, you know, the chronotype thing, the night owl, early bird or something in between, although useful and powerful, I worry will be used by a lot of people to justify their poor or obsessive sleep habits in whichever direction that they kind of want to rationalize that they should take it. Like I say, it's so natural.

I will get up at 7am and I don't know, I don't know how much of it, you know, the chronotype thing, the night owl, early bird or something in between, although useful and powerful, I worry will be used by a lot of people to justify their poor or obsessive sleep habits in whichever direction that they kind of want to rationalize that they should take it. Like I say, it's so natural.

I will get up at 7am and I don't know, I don't know how much of it, you know, the chronotype thing, the night owl, early bird or something in between, although useful and powerful, I worry will be used by a lot of people to justify their poor or obsessive sleep habits in whichever direction that they kind of want to rationalize that they should take it. Like I say, it's so natural.

I understand that. Absolutely. I mean, I was somebody that had Stockholm syndrome from his own industry. You know, whatever, the prison guards had become my friends because I did what I needed to do in order to be able to survive in the world that I was living in. But liberated from that, free from that for four years, right, where I was no longer having to do this.

I understand that. Absolutely. I mean, I was somebody that had Stockholm syndrome from his own industry. You know, whatever, the prison guards had become my friends because I did what I needed to do in order to be able to survive in the world that I was living in. But liberated from that, free from that for four years, right, where I was no longer having to do this.

I understand that. Absolutely. I mean, I was somebody that had Stockholm syndrome from his own industry. You know, whatever, the prison guards had become my friends because I did what I needed to do in order to be able to survive in the world that I was living in. But liberated from that, free from that for four years, right, where I was no longer having to do this.

I was actually incentivized to maybe get up a little bit earlier because I train and then prep and do the episodes and so on and so forth. Oh, well, it seems like my body works in a different way. So, yeah, very fluid in that regard.

I was actually incentivized to maybe get up a little bit earlier because I train and then prep and do the episodes and so on and so forth. Oh, well, it seems like my body works in a different way. So, yeah, very fluid in that regard.

I was actually incentivized to maybe get up a little bit earlier because I train and then prep and do the episodes and so on and so forth. Oh, well, it seems like my body works in a different way. So, yeah, very fluid in that regard.

yeah and i think you know you so we definitely need to have a discussion if you're going to bed that early because i'd love to see your sleep efficiency nevertheless i think what that what that teaches us is much like sleep deprivation you don't really know that you are sleep deprived when you're sleep deprived your subjective sense of how well you're doing when you are not getting sufficient sleep is a miserable predictor of objectively how you're doing with insufficient sleep

yeah and i think you know you so we definitely need to have a discussion if you're going to bed that early because i'd love to see your sleep efficiency nevertheless i think what that what that teaches us is much like sleep deprivation you don't really know that you are sleep deprived when you're sleep deprived your subjective sense of how well you're doing when you are not getting sufficient sleep is a miserable predictor of objectively how you're doing with insufficient sleep

yeah and i think you know you so we definitely need to have a discussion if you're going to bed that early because i'd love to see your sleep efficiency nevertheless i think what that what that teaches us is much like sleep deprivation you don't really know that you are sleep deprived when you're sleep deprived your subjective sense of how well you're doing when you are not getting sufficient sleep is a miserable predictor of objectively how you're doing with insufficient sleep