Dr. Michael Grandner

And in the real world, it would have been missed.

It would have been someone just slogging through their day.

They would have just been like, oh, you know, life is hard.

I'm tired.

Not sleeping as good.

And then probably in 30 years, she would have gotten diagnosed by the time it was more obvious if she weren't an athlete.

Yeah.

I mean, so here's the thing.

It's normal for people to wake up in the middle of the night sometimes, right?

Actually, the typical adult will wake up 10 times a night or more during the night.

They just don't remember.

It's very short.

I mean, again, evolution figured this out a long time ago.

You wake up, no bear, back to sleep.

Like that's normal.

But if you're remembering more of those awake, if you're remembering three, four awakenings, if you have an awakening, especially waking up like with a gasp.

Like if you wake up like that, or you wake up with a snort, if you wake up with something like that, if you, if, or if you feel like you just can't get enough sleep, like you try and sleep a little bit more, but it doesn't help.

It's like, it's just, it's just empty calories.

You know, like it's not about the amount anymore.

There's like something that's keeping it artificially shallow.