Dr. Michael Kilgard

It's a criteria you have to have in the manual that defines what this is.

So avoiding it is a problem and now you've freed people from that.

The work, though, being done, the rewiring is probably really work they're doing.

It's now they're reentering that environment, they're reengaging that relationship, they're not avoiding it, in part because they believe that they can do it and that it isn't harmful.

That's true.

It isn't harmful.

These are pathological avoidances that people are doing.

The question is can we come up with something better?

What are the active ingredients?

The experiment that's not yet been done is to appropriately blind people.

So there are many drugs that make people have a trip.

It's possible to enroll people who've never had a psychedelic before, and then they won't know.

You can give them a lot of caffeine.

They might think, I guess that's what peyote is like.

They wouldn't know.

But that's not yet been done.

I think it can be done.

Usually when people say experiments can't be done properly, I get nervous.

We're just too smart for that.

We made it to the moon and back.