Dr. Mike Trangle

Well, thank you, Stan, both you and Clarence. It's a real honor to be here.

Well, thank you, Stan, both you and Clarence. It's a real honor to be here.

Well, first of all, let me just say that what has happened is still happening in the sense it's unfolding. I hope we can talk about that today because we're in another surge occurring right now. And the big question is, what do we do about it? How is it different or is it different than from before? And what does this mean about, are we in a pandemic or not? Are we over it? What's going on?

Well, first of all, let me just say that what has happened is still happening in the sense it's unfolding. I hope we can talk about that today because we're in another surge occurring right now. And the big question is, what do we do about it? How is it different or is it different than from before? And what does this mean about, are we in a pandemic or not? Are we over it? What's going on?

So I think there's a lot of there. But let me just start off by saying in the 2017 book that I wrote, Deadly Sinners, Organs, Killers, Germs, I devoted several chapters to what an influenza pandemic would look like in a more severe way. And what had unfolded was exactly that, but just a coronavirus.

So I think there's a lot of there. But let me just start off by saying in the 2017 book that I wrote, Deadly Sinners, Organs, Killers, Germs, I devoted several chapters to what an influenza pandemic would look like in a more severe way. And what had unfolded was exactly that, but just a coronavirus.

And what was difficult for me was the surprise that I had about how we responded without really understanding what it meant to have a pandemic. What I mean by that, for example, is I was one of those lone voices early on in the pandemic. In fact, in early March of 2020, I wrote a piece in the Washington Post saying, do not do lockdowns. Do not do that. Do not try to take an aggressive approach.

And what was difficult for me was the surprise that I had about how we responded without really understanding what it meant to have a pandemic. What I mean by that, for example, is I was one of those lone voices early on in the pandemic. In fact, in early March of 2020, I wrote a piece in the Washington Post saying, do not do lockdowns. Do not do that. Do not try to take an aggressive approach.

And the reason why was because I too didn't want anyone to get infected, but I knew this was going to be a two or three year journey at the least. And you can tell people to do some extreme things for short periods of time. But over time, they won't maintain that. And then you kind of lose the credibility of, well, wait a minute, why did you recommend that?

And the reason why was because I too didn't want anyone to get infected, but I knew this was going to be a two or three year journey at the least. And you can tell people to do some extreme things for short periods of time. But over time, they won't maintain that. And then you kind of lose the credibility of, well, wait a minute, why did you recommend that?

And now why are you saying, ah, forget it, never mind. And so I think that we didn't really understand the implications of what a long-term podcast, or I mean, a long-term situation might look like. And on a podcast in early March, I predicted that we could easily see 800,000 deaths in the next 18 months. And it was interesting. You know who my most severe critics were?

And now why are you saying, ah, forget it, never mind. And so I think that we didn't really understand the implications of what a long-term podcast, or I mean, a long-term situation might look like. And on a podcast in early March, I predicted that we could easily see 800,000 deaths in the next 18 months. And it was interesting. You know who my most severe critics were?

Were my colleagues for scaring the hell out of people needlessly because nobody could imagine that. Well, unfortunately, 18 months after I said that, we hit our 800,000th death in this country. And so I think it was a function of public health and clinical medicine, along with government leaders coming to understand what it meant to be in a truly significant pandemic.

Were my colleagues for scaring the hell out of people needlessly because nobody could imagine that. Well, unfortunately, 18 months after I said that, we hit our 800,000th death in this country. And so I think it was a function of public health and clinical medicine, along with government leaders coming to understand what it meant to be in a truly significant pandemic.

And then accordingly from that, you know, make the decisions about what to do and how to do it. And, you know, my whole point was, you know, if whatever we do keeps you from dying in those first few months, that's great. But if you die in the second six months, you're dead. Or if it's the third six months, you're dead. Oh, by the way, if it's the fourth six months, you're still dead.

And then accordingly from that, you know, make the decisions about what to do and how to do it. And, you know, my whole point was, you know, if whatever we do keeps you from dying in those first few months, that's great. But if you die in the second six months, you're dead. Or if it's the third six months, you're dead. Oh, by the way, if it's the fourth six months, you're still dead.

And so our goal is how do we in the long term minimize death? the potential impact that a pandemic has that's sustainable. And clearly the vaccine played a key role in coming on board. And yet we saw how that vaccine tore up the political, social, cultural issues of this country. And what has happened with that?

And so our goal is how do we in the long term minimize death? the potential impact that a pandemic has that's sustainable. And clearly the vaccine played a key role in coming on board. And yet we saw how that vaccine tore up the political, social, cultural issues of this country. And what has happened with that?

I mean, I think that people today have no real clue of the negative impact that that vaccine has had on the vaccine world. You know, we're now seeing remarkable drops in immunizations for kids. Even veterinarians are seeing it vaccinating their dogs and cats. And it's no longer a function about safety. It's about don't tell me what in the hell to do. And we're seeing that over and over again.

I mean, I think that people today have no real clue of the negative impact that that vaccine has had on the vaccine world. You know, we're now seeing remarkable drops in immunizations for kids. Even veterinarians are seeing it vaccinating their dogs and cats. And it's no longer a function about safety. It's about don't tell me what in the hell to do. And we're seeing that over and over again.