Dr. Mike Trangle

No, no. And it just needs to be available for everybody, and it needs to be, and it would be really nice if we follow up on it this year. And, you know, and Minnesota DHS, we presented it to them. They made some good, they thought it was a good idea, but they wanted to sort of look at it more, and the timing was short, and they took it out of the governor's budget.

No, no. And it just needs to be available for everybody, and it needs to be, and it would be really nice if we follow up on it this year. And, you know, and Minnesota DHS, we presented it to them. They made some good, they thought it was a good idea, but they wanted to sort of look at it more, and the timing was short, and they took it out of the governor's budget.

But I hope they follow through, and if not, I hope the legislature makes it happen either way, or ideally both. Yeah. It becomes mandated. And I think DHS goes with it. And it's one of those things where it got caught up in this thing where the fiscal note, they couldn't figure it out and they didn't do it. And it really saves money. There's an ROI with it.

But I hope they follow through, and if not, I hope the legislature makes it happen either way, or ideally both. Yeah. It becomes mandated. And I think DHS goes with it. And it's one of those things where it got caught up in this thing where the fiscal note, they couldn't figure it out and they didn't do it. And it really saves money. There's an ROI with it.

But on the other hand, how they fiscally account the ROI, Like a lot of things, if you treat mental illnesses or substance abuse, it decreases your medical costs down the line. But you still have to pay for it initially. And whether they're really going to cost account that, how they'll do the fiscal note, I don't know. I'm sure there'll be a battle over that.

But on the other hand, how they fiscally account the ROI, Like a lot of things, if you treat mental illnesses or substance abuse, it decreases your medical costs down the line. But you still have to pay for it initially. And whether they're really going to cost account that, how they'll do the fiscal note, I don't know. I'm sure there'll be a battle over that.

But it's one of the things we should really all support in this next year's legislative session. And the Commonwealth has recommended that all states mandate that MA pay for it. Then it's like, I think a little over half the states have done it so far, but not Minnesota.

But it's one of the things we should really all support in this next year's legislative session. And the Commonwealth has recommended that all states mandate that MA pay for it. Then it's like, I think a little over half the states have done it so far, but not Minnesota.

I think the most positive thing is, um, Most people are starting to realize and understand, and at least partially, not completely, appreciate that mental health and substance use disorders are really important. Yes. They're worsening and they deserve attention, effort, and to get better.

I think the most positive thing is, um, Most people are starting to realize and understand, and at least partially, not completely, appreciate that mental health and substance use disorders are really important. Yes. They're worsening and they deserve attention, effort, and to get better.

Whether that will that focus will stay there or it'll kind of peter out. I don't know. There's less stigma talking about it. And I don't know. You're including it in your podcast. I don't know if it was five years ago, you know.

Whether that will that focus will stay there or it'll kind of peter out. I don't know. There's less stigma talking about it. And I don't know. You're including it in your podcast. I don't know if it was five years ago, you know.

I did my term there and I'm no longer on that.

I did my term there and I'm no longer on that.

Well, I was. I was the chair.

Well, I was. I was the chair.

Correct. And if we go back a step, if you start with behavioral health, it's a bit broader. And the two subcategories that are generally thought of as part of it are mental health disorders and or substance use disorders.

Correct. And if we go back a step, if you start with behavioral health, it's a bit broader. And the two subcategories that are generally thought of as part of it are mental health disorders and or substance use disorders.

I think there's so much overlap between the two that it's a little bit arbitrary to say, let's just talk about one and not the other, as they sort of interact between and influence each other. And sometimes they're comorbid, sometimes one causes another, et cetera, and so forth.

I think there's so much overlap between the two that it's a little bit arbitrary to say, let's just talk about one and not the other, as they sort of interact between and influence each other. And sometimes they're comorbid, sometimes one causes another, et cetera, and so forth.