Dr. Mike Trangle

I don't even know if it's, if it's, if it's being done anymore, frankly, if you're talking about like for depression or other kinds of things in a hospital or in an outpatient setting, it is still being used and it's still being more effective things that for people that have sort of intractable non-responsive depression.

I don't even know if it's, if it's, if it's being done anymore, frankly, if you're talking about like for depression or other kinds of things in a hospital or in an outpatient setting, it is still being used and it's still being more effective things that for people that have sort of intractable non-responsive depression.

All right. Um, but, and even before that, when it was more barbaric, they, they gave, uh, you do insulin. So people would get into kind of have a, have a little seizure insulin. Wow. Because diabetic kind of like another seizure kind of thing. Yeah.

All right. Um, but, and even before that, when it was more barbaric, they, they gave, uh, you do insulin. So people would get into kind of have a, have a little seizure insulin. Wow. Because diabetic kind of like another seizure kind of thing. Yeah.

Um, but, but, um, Clarence, you were saying something that I neglected to mention, but typically if you have a post-traumatic stress disorder, whatever you experienced takes on a life of its own and you almost like continue to re-experience it as you go through your life and in following months and years, you know, and yeah.

Um, but, but, um, Clarence, you were saying something that I neglected to mention, but typically if you have a post-traumatic stress disorder, whatever you experienced takes on a life of its own and you almost like continue to re-experience it as you go through your life and in following months and years, you know, and yeah.

You know it's like your thoughts and your beliefs and your reactions to things that remind you of it became strong become stronger. kind of persistent it distorts how you think about things and how you feel about things and you might like just lose your interest in doing things your normal enthusiasm. your normal ability to sort of just be calm and serene.

You know it's like your thoughts and your beliefs and your reactions to things that remind you of it became strong become stronger. kind of persistent it distorts how you think about things and how you feel about things and you might like just lose your interest in doing things your normal enthusiasm. your normal ability to sort of just be calm and serene.

You might get detached and estranged from other people. And sometimes if it's a really bad case, you sort of like lose your ability to experience positive emotions, you know, happiness, satisfaction, loving feelings.

You might get detached and estranged from other people. And sometimes if it's a really bad case, you sort of like lose your ability to experience positive emotions, you know, happiness, satisfaction, loving feelings.

and your arousal almost becomes super sensitive you get exposed to it and you're gonna and over time you react stronger and to less uh stimulation that reminds you of it it like grows if that makes sense it does and i think you've been doing that because that's part that's part of the reason for the conversation is that i know that there are

and your arousal almost becomes super sensitive you get exposed to it and you're gonna and over time you react stronger and to less uh stimulation that reminds you of it it like grows if that makes sense it does and i think you've been doing that because that's part that's part of the reason for the conversation is that i know that there are

Or at least people come up with idiosyncratic but scary and upsetting ways to explain it to themselves. And sometimes they sort of if it's a chronic or repeated exposure, it's not at all unusual for people to dissociate and feel like I'm numb, I'm not really there, or to feel like it wasn't me. I'm so detached, I have no reaction to it, you know?

Or at least people come up with idiosyncratic but scary and upsetting ways to explain it to themselves. And sometimes they sort of if it's a chronic or repeated exposure, it's not at all unusual for people to dissociate and feel like I'm numb, I'm not really there, or to feel like it wasn't me. I'm so detached, I have no reaction to it, you know?

Or I feel like it's just not real, that it's just a dream I'm having, you know? powerless and trapped in a situation that's just awful. Okay. Thank you.

Or I feel like it's just not real, that it's just a dream I'm having, you know? powerless and trapped in a situation that's just awful. Okay. Thank you.

Yes. Yes. That's definitely true. Let's describe it. Let's just clarify what a panic attack typically is.

Yes. Yes. That's definitely true. Let's describe it. Let's just clarify what a panic attack typically is.

If someone's having a panic attack. Yeah. it's an abrupt onset, usually within just seconds, but certainly it tends to reach its peak within just a few minutes. And during that period, so it's an abrupt onset and you have your heart speeds up, you have palpitations, it's pounding, you might sweat, you might shake. If you're hyperventilating as part of it, you feel short of breath.

If someone's having a panic attack. Yeah. it's an abrupt onset, usually within just seconds, but certainly it tends to reach its peak within just a few minutes. And during that period, so it's an abrupt onset and you have your heart speeds up, you have palpitations, it's pounding, you might sweat, you might shake. If you're hyperventilating as part of it, you feel short of breath.