Dr. Mike Trangle

And it's those kinds of things that are life and death for people that I think legislators and sometimes health plan people don't get. you know, right.

And it's those kinds of things that are life and death for people that I think legislators and sometimes health plan people don't get. you know, right.

People talk about it like it's either all one or all the other. If you're deaf, then you're trying to maximize, optimize how it goes. You do it in person. Sometimes you do the televideo. But if it's not available that day because the internet connection keeps going out, at times you use audio. At times you do face-to-face. At times you do Zoom.

People talk about it like it's either all one or all the other. If you're deaf, then you're trying to maximize, optimize how it goes. You do it in person. Sometimes you do the televideo. But if it's not available that day because the internet connection keeps going out, at times you use audio. At times you do face-to-face. At times you do Zoom.

It doesn't have to be talked about like it's this or that. It's both and. Correct.

It doesn't have to be talked about like it's this or that. It's both and. Correct.

I am fairly optimistic. I do think things are getting better, and I think there's sort of a glacially slow but sort of steady kind of progress towards more and more people realizing it's not your fault if you have a mental illness or substance abuse. You are just as deserving as anyone else to be treated fairly and equally.

I am fairly optimistic. I do think things are getting better, and I think there's sort of a glacially slow but sort of steady kind of progress towards more and more people realizing it's not your fault if you have a mental illness or substance abuse. You are just as deserving as anyone else to be treated fairly and equally.

And little by little, I think everyone's starting to get that and more resources are being put into it. And I would say 20 years from now, it'll be a lot better, even if it doesn't happen instantly.

And little by little, I think everyone's starting to get that and more resources are being put into it. And I would say 20 years from now, it'll be a lot better, even if it doesn't happen instantly.

You don't have access. You don't have the same access problems. Correct.

You don't have access. You don't have the same access problems. Correct.

And that's because you got money put into it. It's a procedure based thing and it pays well.

And that's because you got money put into it. It's a procedure based thing and it pays well.