Dr. Mike Trangle

And so I think that, you know, it's an issue of, well, let's walk this through and see what this means. OK. And and, you know, for example, today, agriculture has changed dramatically. you know, with large animal production facilities, millions of birds, et cetera, that poses this whole new way of amplifying virus and mixing it up. I could go through a laundry list.

And so I think that, you know, it's an issue of, well, let's walk this through and see what this means. OK. And and, you know, for example, today, agriculture has changed dramatically. you know, with large animal production facilities, millions of birds, et cetera, that poses this whole new way of amplifying virus and mixing it up. I could go through a laundry list.

Look at antibiotic resistance today. I mean, we use antibiotics, unfortunately, like candy as the defensive drug of the century. Okay. If in doubt, Over Medicaid. Okay. And we're losing our antibiotics because you don't have to be a superstar to understand these kinds of things.

Look at antibiotic resistance today. I mean, we use antibiotics, unfortunately, like candy as the defensive drug of the century. Okay. If in doubt, Over Medicaid. Okay. And we're losing our antibiotics because you don't have to be a superstar to understand these kinds of things.

So I think it's more a matter of how do we bring reality to our educational experiences to those who are out there and understand what's going on. Let me just give you one other example. You know, I happen to spend some time in working on prairie restoration and burrilla forest restoration, etc.

So I think it's more a matter of how do we bring reality to our educational experiences to those who are out there and understand what's going on. Let me just give you one other example. You know, I happen to spend some time in working on prairie restoration and burrilla forest restoration, etc.

People are all talking about climate change right now as being very critical as it relates to tick movement and so forth and potential Lyme disease. Well, ironically, it's not climate change. Climate change can play a role, ultimately. It's all about the fact that 120 years ago, we started stopping forest fires.

People are all talking about climate change right now as being very critical as it relates to tick movement and so forth and potential Lyme disease. Well, ironically, it's not climate change. Climate change can play a role, ultimately. It's all about the fact that 120 years ago, we started stopping forest fires.

And as a result of that, we've seen the successional forests in the east, the middle east. We used to be prairie oak savannas in the upper Midwest, right up towards the boundary waters. And today, because there's stop fires, we've seen the white-footed mollusk in a whole totally different environment emerge. And at the same time, we've seen population centers develop in those areas.

And as a result of that, we've seen the successional forests in the east, the middle east. We used to be prairie oak savannas in the upper Midwest, right up towards the boundary waters. And today, because there's stop fires, we've seen the white-footed mollusk in a whole totally different environment emerge. And at the same time, we've seen population centers develop in those areas.

And so, you know, we should not be surprised that we're seeing this whole new effort or involvement of ticks and so forth because they're now living in forests that never existed before because every 50 to 100 years they burnt. I mean, it's just something that's simple. It's just that simple.

And so, you know, we should not be surprised that we're seeing this whole new effort or involvement of ticks and so forth because they're now living in forests that never existed before because every 50 to 100 years they burnt. I mean, it's just something that's simple. It's just that simple.

Well, you know, Clarence, you hit on the question of the century for public health, I think. You said it so well. this is a huge challenge. And one of the reasons that in my new book coming out, I say we're less prepared for a future pandemic than we were before is because of the loss of trust. And I think that that is a huge issue. You know, my own personal approach to it is, first of all,

Well, you know, Clarence, you hit on the question of the century for public health, I think. You said it so well. this is a huge challenge. And one of the reasons that in my new book coming out, I say we're less prepared for a future pandemic than we were before is because of the loss of trust. And I think that that is a huge issue. You know, my own personal approach to it is, first of all,

Humility, humility, humility. Say when you know, and if you say you know it, why do you know it? How do you know it? Can't be personal opinion. It can't be. If you don't know, say that. But then tell people what you're going to do to try to find out. And tell them, I'll let you know when we find something new. It may not answer the whole question, but the bottom line is, this is why we're at.

Humility, humility, humility. Say when you know, and if you say you know it, why do you know it? How do you know it? Can't be personal opinion. It can't be. If you don't know, say that. But then tell people what you're going to do to try to find out. And tell them, I'll let you know when we find something new. It may not answer the whole question, but the bottom line is, this is why we're at.

And so I think we need a major new understanding of how do we do public health communication. I think it's one that we're desperately needing much more work in. And so, you know, we won't gain back the trust as long as people perceive that we think we know everything. We're going to tell them exactly what to do. And oh, by the way, that didn't work.

And so I think we need a major new understanding of how do we do public health communication. I think it's one that we're desperately needing much more work in. And so, you know, we won't gain back the trust as long as people perceive that we think we know everything. We're going to tell them exactly what to do. And oh, by the way, that didn't work.

Well, you know, at the risk of being, raining on a parade here, I think that article was in some ways misdirected. And what I mean by that is that clearly the zoonotic issues of animals and humans is very important. And the next pandemic will have at its root cause an animal reservoir of some kind that spills over into humans. So that's not even a question.

Well, you know, at the risk of being, raining on a parade here, I think that article was in some ways misdirected. And what I mean by that is that clearly the zoonotic issues of animals and humans is very important. And the next pandemic will have at its root cause an animal reservoir of some kind that spills over into humans. So that's not even a question.