Dr. Ori Stollar

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Training Without Conflict® | Dog Training Podcast · Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion · 3 May 2025 podcast

So as far as I can tell, as far as I know, we work hand in hand with dog trainers, we're not trying to replace trainers.

I mean, worst case, if people like it, we can always meet again.

Yeah, no, I know. You know, I watched also like in preparation for our meeting today, I also watched a lot of your videos. And, you know, I did see the people that you had on the podcast before me, including, you know, people that...

I wish I had the chance to speak to you know, like people like Dr. Mac, that you know that that everyone still quotes the alpha theory and alpha wolf and stuff like that. And also on your podcast is saying like, that's not exactly how you need to use it. But you know, great scientists and yeah, so so very good.

Oh, you mean like celebrity dog?

Right. So I would say, again, people like Susan Garrett, that that you also had online on the podcast, and not everything, but there is, I forgot her last name, I think her first name is Emily. And her YouTube channel is a kick up up.

But But yeah, if you kick up by itself, Some things that Zach George does, not everything. And even...

uh stillwell i think her name is yeah the british okay yeah victoria stillwell okay so yes mainly the you know what's considered the reward-based trainers yeah i still work with with trainers that are not reward-based you do but i i do yes i don't send anyone away you know again they even they come to me i tell look with this dog in some cases

We can we can like, you know have a debate if it works For for every dog, but the dogs that I usually see in most cases their aggression if we're talking about aggression and that's actually the most common thing that I see is due to fear aggression and in those cases for example using something aversive something that scares the dog or hurts dog even more is

has a very high chance of making things even worse so in those situations of course i will tell them look i think that in this case we shouldn't be using this technique and so you know i don't publicly yes i am trying to kind of push people more into the reward-based training

Because then, you know, kind of like what you mentioned before there and the apps of the American Veterinary Society for Animal Behaviorist and of course, our college. And by the way, I'm not representing them. I'm not there. I mean, in a way, I am representing them, but not officially. Right. Correct. But I am actually a member of the app. So nobody is paying me. I actually pay them. Yes.

To be a member. Same goes for the American College of Veterinary Behaviors. And we try to rely on the most current, but actually also very old, scientific data. And right now, most of it, or at least the better studies do show that the reward based training seems to be more effective in more cases. Again, later we can discuss other studies as well.

I mean, I'm not sure. I never did a survey, right? So I can't say that for sure. I mean, I can tell you that, again, most of the... behavior specialists that I know will not send away someone just because he's working with a trainer that works in a specific way. They might try to educate because again, even me, I'm saying that

my preference is the reward-based training, is the force-free training, positive reinforcement, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, that's my preference as well. But we try to educate. We try to see what works best and how we can actually be on the same page. I do admit that if I get a dog, again, let's say an example of an aggressive dog,

and he's fearful and that's the cause for the aggression and the owners are very adamant about shocking him every time he growls for example it concerns me because you know let's let's say kind of for a second i'm going to jump to something that we're going to discuss a bit later but let's say the dog we also thought that the dog needs some sort of

medication, some sort of behavioral medication, psychoactive medication, I want the owners to think that that's the treatment that it's like a magic drug that's going to fix everything. And because the behavior modification part, the environmental management is in most cases, so much more important than using those psycho psychoactive medications. And if

I have someone that does something that I really like, training wise that doing something that I really think is gonna basically prevent us from reaching correct. It was probably not a resolution and improvement of the problematic behavior. then not because I'm mad at them or anything like that, just because I think you're not the end result. Correct. Exactly.

And it's going to be the way a waste of their time, a waste of their money. And then they're going to end up maybe even upset about me and might start saying, you see, we told you that that medication is BS medications don't work. Yeah, they don't. Again, it's not like a magic thing, right? It's not like a one and done. So

Yeah, even if it's the best, and it's the right medication, if we don't do the rest of the stuff correctly, not we're not going to get results. And that's very important to know about using medications.

I mean, you did write there at the end that you would like to discuss it with someone who knows. Hopefully I am that someone. That's why also we're doing this.

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