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Dr. Owen Rees

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
674 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And made worse by the fact that Agesilaus intervenes.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

The Spartans were going to very much punish the commander who did it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's that moment of, it's a rogue commander, he's done wrong, we're going to punish him, everything's fine, and Agesilaus intervenes.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so they find him, but they didn't move the garrison.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And that seems to have his fingerprints all over it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And that really, for me, that is where this whole thing really falls apart.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And it says a lot that Xenophon is this clear about it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Xenophon is very pro-Spartans, the wrong, it's probably a bit of an overstep, but you know, he very much massages, especially Agesilaus, what Agesilaus is doing.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

This is one of the closest moments we get in all of his accounts of Agesilaus, which includes a eulogistic biography of him.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It's the closest we get to him openly criticising Agesilaus.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

All biases aside, all relationships aside, this was completely immoral, unethical, wrong, should not have happened, and everything that occurs after that, dare I say, was coming to him.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Yeah, no, that's a really good point.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And what really comes across is the regular raiding that does occur is achieving nothing, like we're all saying.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So you've got that kind of demoralizing reality of we don't have the power to put them back in their box.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

To the point where we see Sparta very much sort of stops leaving as much as it had its own lands.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So very much you see the amount of military activity very much begins to wane.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Again, as I mentioned earlier, it's why I brought up the internal problems they're dealing with.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Because one of the other reasons why Sparta is struggling to maintain its momentum during these decades is it can't sustain it from home all the way out to, well, originally Asia Minor, but now we're only talking Central Greece.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It cannot maintain that momentum.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Thebes very much goes through, with the reassertion of its control of the city, we see innovative change, shall we say.