Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong
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Because it's so complex. It requires, you know, I think these are the danger when you have, and that's why I love this long forms, because the danger of shorts. soundbites where people then take the wrong impression. I think the thought long discussion, I think, you know, a couple of hours of congressional hearing should, should happen with facts. Yes.
Yeah, but it's scientifically, technically very complex. So we need to actually first have it with all the scientists, because I'm so deeply involved with this idea of COVID and long COVID. I'm not only worried about long COVID, I think I understand why we're getting long COVID, your idea about spike, this thing called spikeopathy.
the idea that the the spike could come either from the vaccine or from the covert virus itself and if it comes from the vaccine does it break off and does it actually replicate if it replicates does it persist if it persists and replicates in certain part of tissue does it reduce what they call p53 is it then a harbinger of cancer is it going to act like hepatitis and hpv god forbid
where, in fact, five years or 10 years from now, is it potentially the explanation why I'm seeing 8-year-old, 10-year-old, 11-year-olds with colon cancer? Why did I see patients with 13-year-old metastatic pancreatic cancer? These are questions that need to be very importantly asked.
All are possible. Is it red dye? Is it PFAS? Is it all of the above? Is it all preventable? And is it all treatable? At the end of the day, I'm a surgeon. I want to treat it. I want to know, okay, fine. What can we do to prevent it? How can we treat it?
And now we come back again to the cancer vaccine or come back to treatment of HIV, come back to treatment of autoimmune diseases, which again was what I spent my last 25 years of my life trying to do. And to answer the fact that we are close, which is exciting, is too complex. And it's not something I can do over soundbite. I try to do this over Twitter where I call connecting the dots.
And there's too many dots to connect. And the idea is I'll try to put this over X and connect the dots. But let me tell you something profound and very simple. Something profound is as follows. When you get chemotherapy, let's talk about cancer, for example. When you get chemotherapy, the first thing it wipes out is your red blood cells. You have anemia. And there's a drug for that called epigen.
The second thing it wipes out is cells called neutrophils that prevent infection. And there's a drug for that called neupogen. But the most important thing that wipes out is your NK and T cells, and that's called lymphocytes. So Drew, I'd like you to test this with your oncology friends and say, when you do a CBC, which is a standard blood test, what do you look for to treat your patient?
Well, we look for anemia and we look for neutropenia. And well, do you look for your lymphocyte count? No. Why? We don't bother about it because there's no treatment for that. It turns out the only thing that protects your body against cancer is your lymphocytes, meaning the NK cells and T cells. And there was no treatment for that for 35 years until last year, 2024, when I got approved, ANGTEVA.
That's now being used in Lynch syndrome and where we have bladder cancer patients now free of disease and complete response over nine years. Patients were about to lose their bladder BCG unresponsive, free of disease over 54 months because we've driven memory T cells. The reason I'm able to say this to you is because it's in the package insert. It is actually in the label.
It is the first drug to activate your NK cells, your T cells, and your memory T cells. So that's why I'm saying what is simple and profound. Meaning that we now know that anybody getting chemotherapy, anybody getting radiation, within a day or two, you wipe out the only cells that matter, i.e. the cells that kill cancer. And for 35 years, we've never had a treatment for that.
That is where I'm going down the line when we talk about long COVID. Because when you have viral infection, the first thing you wipe out, the virus is smart. It wipes out the T cells and NK cells.
So, but you can see the complexity of what I just said to you is a science lesson.
And Epigen would cause blood clotting. But you know, the irony is that they need Epigen and Neupogen because of what we've done to the patient. We've given them chemotherapy. And the same thing we've done to that patient is actually wiped out the cells that matter, the NK and T cells.
So my fight for the last 20 years is here's a surgeon from South Africa, this doctor working on pancreas transplant and talking to oncologists and says, everything we've been doing so far has been wrong. We've actually treated cancer wrongly.
We should use, when I tried to develop a Braxane, I wanted to use the lowest dose possible because a Braxane was to actually convert these macrophages called M2 to M1s, which are killer macrophages. So when you ask, am I an immunologist? Am I a surgeon? Am I an oncologist? Am I a virologist? By the way, if you're a virologist, you'll only think about these antibodies. You never think of T-cells.
So this problem with medicine, we've siloed ourselves into these little blocks. Oh, my God. Yes. And therefore, our thinking is so myopic. And if you have a broad scale scope of comprehensive thinking of the biology of the human being, you thought it was a quack. And here we have people like RFK who are really asking the right questions. And I agree with those questions.
And I sure hope it's confirmed. I'm not sure when the vote is, but I sure hope it'll be confirmed. Yeah.
Well, it's the overkill, right? So when you actually have this ongoing chronic, basically, persistence of inflammation, then it's like a cytokine storm, right? And now when you have this ongoing inflammation, that's why with hepatitis you get liver cancer, and that's why with HPV it's persistent cervical cancer. God forbid, this virus is everywhere.
It's in the colon, it's in the pancreas, it's in the brain, it's everywhere. So... This is something we really, really, over the next four, eight years, must really, really worry about and can fix. And the good news is we have this.
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