Dr. Paul Conti

And it's got enough diagnoses to have a whole bunch for me and a whole bunch for you and a whole bunch for everyone else.

And I understand there is an importance to labeling, right?

There are things that happen as syndromes.

They come together and we want to be able to understand what that is.

I'm not against having a taxonomy, a labeling of things.

But what we've done is we've taken that and we've glorified it.

And that becomes the be all and end all.

You know, that book says nothing whatsoever about how things actually arise.

All it does is describe things.

So it doesn't tell us how to understand them.

It doesn't tell us how to intercede.

And the field now has stepped so far away that what it's by and large doing is trying to fit in to the world of modern medicine, which on a broad level isn't going anywhere.

so well so we're just looking to identify well what might these symptoms tell us so so if i'm sitting down i don't have much time with you like let me just ask you a whole bunch of questions a whole bunch of questions and now like you know what i determine you check a bunch of boxes and you fit into the depression category okay i've got six more minutes left right how let's see i'm going to give you a medicine because i'm gonna be able to talk to you very much let's see how we can try and and make those symptoms less and then we'll say your depression is treated like that's not real

And I'm not saying there isn't a place.

There is a place for medicines in some people, in some cases.

It's important.

There's a place for real therapy that's driven by understanding.

And there are people in the field, like good people who are trying to do good work, but very often the systems make it very hard to do that.

And then the training paradigms are very much about identify symptoms, try and make symptoms less.

And that has nothing to do with understanding, with getting really to the roots