Dr. Peter Attia

She provides practical tools for tracking progress, like using sleep diaries and A-B testing to identify and refine effective interventions. And we explore the potential for AI and digital tools to democratize access to CBTI and address the growing demand for sleep therapy. So without further delay, please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Ashley Mason.

She provides practical tools for tracking progress, like using sleep diaries and A-B testing to identify and refine effective interventions. And we explore the potential for AI and digital tools to democratize access to CBTI and address the growing demand for sleep therapy. So without further delay, please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Ashley Mason.

Hey Ashley, thank you so much for coming to Austin to talk about a lot of interesting things. Let's start with the one that I think everybody listening can probably relate to at least once, which is insomnia. Where did your interest in insomnia arise?

Hey Ashley, thank you so much for coming to Austin to talk about a lot of interesting things. Let's start with the one that I think everybody listening can probably relate to at least once, which is insomnia. Where did your interest in insomnia arise?

Before we dive into what CBTI is and how it works and how profound it can be, let's maybe help folks understand a little bit about insomnia and maybe go through some of the definitions around the different types of insomnia and maybe some of the different causes for it and maybe even what some of the other treatments are, pharmacologic and otherwise.

Before we dive into what CBTI is and how it works and how profound it can be, let's maybe help folks understand a little bit about insomnia and maybe go through some of the definitions around the different types of insomnia and maybe some of the different causes for it and maybe even what some of the other treatments are, pharmacologic and otherwise.

And just to be clear, Ashley, when you say that a point estimate of 5% to 10% of the population would have insomnia at any point in time, you mean according to that definition where it's been going on for months, it's causing distress, and it's impacting life?

And just to be clear, Ashley, when you say that a point estimate of 5% to 10% of the population would have insomnia at any point in time, you mean according to that definition where it's been going on for months, it's causing distress, and it's impacting life?

So it's low-end 1 in 20, high-end 1 in 10 people, adults? Adults, yes.

So it's low-end 1 in 20, high-end 1 in 10 people, adults? Adults, yes.

So that's a higher estimate than I would have guessed, given your definition. If the definition was three nights of bad sleep, I would say, yeah, that makes sense.

So that's a higher estimate than I would have guessed, given your definition. If the definition was three nights of bad sleep, I would say, yeah, that makes sense.

Can you say more about the predisposing factors? Are those genetic?

Can you say more about the predisposing factors? Are those genetic?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So the focus is much more on the coping strategy and the behavior that came out of the predisposing factor or the precipitating event actually is really- Used to respond to the precipitating effect.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So the focus is much more on the coping strategy and the behavior that came out of the predisposing factor or the precipitating event actually is really- Used to respond to the precipitating effect.

Okay. Can we talk a little bit about Is there a difference, for example, between the individual who can't fall asleep, this initiation of sleep insomnia, versus the person that I hear much more about, frankly, I experience more, which is, it's not that hard for me to fall asleep, but boy, I will jolt up at

Okay. Can we talk a little bit about Is there a difference, for example, between the individual who can't fall asleep, this initiation of sleep insomnia, versus the person that I hear much more about, frankly, I experience more, which is, it's not that hard for me to fall asleep, but boy, I will jolt up at

one in the morning with some thought or anxiety that I can't get out of my mind and my mind starts running and I can't go back to sleep or I get up because I got to pee. But when I come back, I erroneously just do something with my mind where I get thinking about the day's problem or whatever, whatever. Do you think of those as difference or the different side, same coin, I guess?

one in the morning with some thought or anxiety that I can't get out of my mind and my mind starts running and I can't go back to sleep or I get up because I got to pee. But when I come back, I erroneously just do something with my mind where I get thinking about the day's problem or whatever, whatever. Do you think of those as difference or the different side, same coin, I guess?