Dr. Peter Attia

But again, it's something about the elitist nature in which that was handled that has now created this terminal effect of ivermectin is a cause celeb for, I mean, pretty soon someone's going to say it cures Alzheimer's disease, I'm sure.

But again, it's something about the elitist nature in which that was handled that has now created this terminal effect of ivermectin is a cause celeb for, I mean, pretty soon someone's going to say it cures Alzheimer's disease, I'm sure.

Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

To me, that's heartbreaking because the answer should have been, I talked about this with Joe very openly on his podcast. I said, look, I've looked at all the RCTs of ivermectin and COVID. There's no signal, except my memory could be off on this, but there's a little signal in this Brazilian trial, but the methodology of that trial was horrible. So I have to believe this is not working.

To me, that's heartbreaking because the answer should have been, I talked about this with Joe very openly on his podcast. I said, look, I've looked at all the RCTs of ivermectin and COVID. There's no signal, except my memory could be off on this, but there's a little signal in this Brazilian trial, but the methodology of that trial was horrible. So I have to believe this is not working.

It's a good try. All about trying. It was a great idea to take off-the-shelf drugs and see if they worked.

It's a good try. All about trying. It was a great idea to take off-the-shelf drugs and see if they worked.

When they don't, we have to move on. By demonizing it and by demonizing the people that felt it might work, we find ourselves in a situation right now where it's very irrational.

When they don't, we have to move on. By demonizing it and by demonizing the people that felt it might work, we find ourselves in a situation right now where it's very irrational.

Yeah, I agree with that. Public health has really struggled in some ways. You've had these incredible success stories and then some awful failures.

Yeah, I agree with that. Public health has really struggled in some ways. You've had these incredible success stories and then some awful failures.

I want to talk a little bit about AI. A lot of people might not realize you're on the board of OpenAI and you're the only person in medicine on that board. So talk to me a little bit about how that came about. I don't want to obviously talk about the implications of that, what you're excited about and what you're afraid of.

I want to talk a little bit about AI. A lot of people might not realize you're on the board of OpenAI and you're the only person in medicine on that board. So talk to me a little bit about how that came about. I don't want to obviously talk about the implications of that, what you're excited about and what you're afraid of.

Give me a time and money sense in terms of savings. This is a very important question.

Give me a time and money sense in terms of savings. This is a very important question.

IND to approval.

IND to approval.

And you believe AI can do that right now? Or we're on the path to that?

And you believe AI can do that right now? Or we're on the path to that?