Dr. Peter Bujari

This is a significant contribution of the funding in the health sector and agriculture sector and many others. So the cut has severe consequences.

I am managing an organization that was supporting young people who are on treatment to transition from youth clinic into adult clinic. And we are also supporting children who are on treatment already. These programs have been closed.

In addition to laying off 20 staff who were working in three offices in the areas that I mentioned under the USA-funded Afeyango program. So that means that I lost staff, but also the young people who we were supporting to transition into adult clinic are no longer being supported. They're likely to get lost in the system, and same as the children.

Kyllä, kyllä. En ole varma, kuinka monta. Olemme nyt tekemässä joitain tutkimuksia siitä, mutta toivottavasti joitain eläimiä on loppunut. Se on vain kysymys, että voidaanko tutkia, kuka ja missä. Mutta numerot eivät ole tärkeää täällä. Se, mikä on tärkeää, on elämä jokaisen, joka on tuotettu tämän rahoitukseen viimeiset 20 vuotta ja jopa nyt on saavutettu sydäntöön.

I kind of disagree in a way that, you know, the cut was so abrupt in a period of, say, next week you're off. So there cannot be a sustainability in such an abrupt cut. It could have been a better transition if it was given a year or two for the program to readjust.

Building local sustainability was one of the challenge. And so there is a direct funding, but there is no mechanism to build local sustainability and local sustainability in financing itself. So that when the aid ends, the system are built and organizations are strong enough with possible mechanism to finance themselves. You're listening to Business Daily on the BBC World Service.

Okei, Peter Bujari, I mean in Tanzania. Did the speed of the budget cuts force the government to step up and perhaps do more of what it should have been doing already? As a public health specialist and also in the health sector, the government's adjustment and stepping up isn't meeting what is required.

In Tanzania, for instance, we had health practitioners, doctors and laboratory clinicians and nurses being financed by the aid. And after the aid, they had to be withdrawn. And many of those have not been absorbed within the government system. So there was a shortage already. There's now a double shortage. And this means the HIV, TB and maternal health programs are already suffering.

The challenge here has probably been that the aid does not necessarily have to do what is the top priority. So sometimes the aid comes with predetermined areas of focus. But admittedly, I think, and I have seen that, the coming of the aid has done much more than we have seen, including, for instance, Tanzania being able to reduce its maternal mortality rate in the last couple

Ten years. So I think there are results that we have seen that comes from aid. But I think there are also areas where our own leaders in government have not taken responsibility. And as I mentioned on the health sector allocation, it's still low even though they committed. And so we may blame the aid, but I think we also need to say that the aid did cover what was important that our own government had not been able to cover.

Dr. Bujari.

Hyvinvointi ei ole tietenkään suunnitelma. Jotkut asiat, joita hän mainitsi, eivät ole suunniteltu hallitukseen. Jotkut asiat, joita hän mainitsi, eivät ole suunniteltu hallitukseen. Jotkut asiat, joita hän mainitsi, eivät ole suunniteltu hallitukseen.

Eurooppa ja Amerikka, he tekevät sitä. Joten missä sosiaaliset organisaatiot saavat resursseja? Voisin sanoa, että private-sektorista. Ja se ei ole oikein se, mitä näen, mitä tapahtuu maailmassa.

Yes, it's going to have to adjust. I think there was a problem the way the aid is structured in itself, to allow local priorities to be scaled up. But also we know, and I know from Tanzania, that the government did allocate some money

to begin to come in and address the shortages. However, the money has not been raised. On the private sector and government and non-government organizations, we are already exploring ways to raise resources within our own to be able to do the minimum. But as I said, it was an abrupt in a way that you do not know what to do.

I had to lay off staff, and many organizations had to lay off staff, because the funding is cut in a month or two, and there's nothing you can do. You cannot raise money in a month or two, not even a year sometimes. You need time to make money.

I do think we have begun talking to our government, thinking about local solutions, thinking about what can we do by ourselves to maximize the impact of little resources that we have.