Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

On that example, Nir, what do you think was going on?

Because you're making the case in the book that

The reason belief is so powerful when it comes to expectation is not because belief has a magical quality on our mitochondria, it's because the belief changes your action, right?

So, you know, if you believe you can get stronger and be really active and mobile in your 70s and 80s,

You're going to do more.

You're going to walk more.

You're going to go to the gym more.

You're going to go, yeah, I'm not slowing down because I'm getting older.

I know I can get strong as I get older.

But I guess the reverse is happening here, isn't it?

The guy hadn't actually taken the pill, yet his physiology was changing.

Yeah, for sure.

I had Howard Schubiner on the show maybe three years ago.

He's coming back on in a few weeks.

And he's done a lot of the research on pain reprocessing therapy.

And we went deep into chronic pain and how, as you say, all pain is real, but pain is created in the brain.

And, you know, you mentioned before with hypnotherapy, didn't you?

Hypnocidation.

Mm-hmm.

you can go into an operation and not really experience the pain.