Dr. Rhonda Barofsky

It is really good to have you on. And so can I tell you how it began? And we've changed the format of our Wednesday group so that— I can tell you how it began.

It is really good to have you on. And so can I tell you how it began? And we've changed the format of our Wednesday group so that— I can tell you how it began.

Oh, is that really how it started?

Oh, is that really how it started?

Oh, okay. Even though women give birth, how is it that men took a rib out from a man and created a woman when it's women that's actually the birth givers? But anyway, that's another topic.

Oh, okay. Even though women give birth, how is it that men took a rib out from a man and created a woman when it's women that's actually the birth givers? But anyway, that's another topic.

OK, well, we changed the format of our Wednesday group so that each person, each participant in the group is asked to teach a class. And I asked them to pick a topic that challenged them or that they really loved or that scared them, but something that they could throw themselves wholeheartedly into teaching. And so Werner said that he would teach a class on getting over driving phobia.

OK, well, we changed the format of our Wednesday group so that each person, each participant in the group is asked to teach a class. And I asked them to pick a topic that challenged them or that they really loved or that scared them, but something that they could throw themselves wholeheartedly into teaching. And so Werner said that he would teach a class on getting over driving phobia.

Because he has expertise in it and not jokingly said, well, if you need a subject, can I be your subject in the class? Because I kind of have a driving phobia. And he was like, oh, let's do some work together. And I thought, oh, do I really want to do that? Okay, I'll do it.

Because he has expertise in it and not jokingly said, well, if you need a subject, can I be your subject in the class? Because I kind of have a driving phobia. And he was like, oh, let's do some work together. And I thought, oh, do I really want to do that? Okay, I'll do it.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Well, you know, David, you probably remember before COVID, on one of the hikes we took, you did that with me. Yes, I remember that.

Well, you know, David, you probably remember before COVID, on one of the hikes we took, you did that with me. Yes, I remember that.

Yeah, and it was really helpful. And it was extra helpful because I was driving once a week to the Tuesday group and then to the studio at Moriarty.

Yeah, and it was really helpful. And it was extra helpful because I was driving once a week to the Tuesday group and then to the studio at Moriarty.

The Murrieta Studio, yes. So that cognitive work with you was very helpful. And you kept saying, it's not high enough, it's not high enough. And I did that for the entire hike, which is probably eight miles. And then with the constant driving, I stopped feeling so afraid to drive. But like Werner said, with COVID, I just stopped driving. And then it just keeps coming back.

The Murrieta Studio, yes. So that cognitive work with you was very helpful. And you kept saying, it's not high enough, it's not high enough. And I did that for the entire hike, which is probably eight miles. And then with the constant driving, I stopped feeling so afraid to drive. But like Werner said, with COVID, I just stopped driving. And then it just keeps coming back.

Well, at some point in our discussion, Werner, you said that you were going to be coming up to attend David's intensive at South San Francisco in August. And you said, oh, it would be so great if you did the driving to and from the intensive. And Werner stayed with me in our guest room. And so that was the goal of our work together.

Well, at some point in our discussion, Werner, you said that you were going to be coming up to attend David's intensive at South San Francisco in August. And you said, oh, it would be so great if you did the driving to and from the intensive. And Werner stayed with me in our guest room. And so that was the goal of our work together.