Dr. Rhonda Barofsky

Well, I think you're aiming your criticisms at Rhonda and Matt.

Well, I think you're aiming your criticisms at Rhonda and Matt.

Love you, Max. We want to get our message out to everybody. And we don't believe that our message is inconsistent with anyone's spirituality. And I've treated so many people. I've had tens of thousands of hours with people with severe depression and anxiety. And at the moment of recovery, they generally get in touch with their spiritual beliefs.

Love you, Max. We want to get our message out to everybody. And we don't believe that our message is inconsistent with anyone's spirituality. And I've treated so many people. I've had tens of thousands of hours with people with severe depression and anxiety. And at the moment of recovery, they generally get in touch with their spiritual beliefs.

They understand things about their own spirituality, their own religious beliefs, whether that's Jewish or Christian or Islamic or Buddhist or whatever. Or whatever it happens to be. And I've never had a person who felt their religion, their religious beliefs were challenged in any way by the kind of treatment that I was offering. Because when you recover from depression, it's not just...

They understand things about their own spirituality, their own religious beliefs, whether that's Jewish or Christian or Islamic or Buddhist or whatever. Or whatever it happens to be. And I've never had a person who felt their religion, their religious beliefs were challenged in any way by the kind of treatment that I was offering. Because when you recover from depression, it's not just...

getting over negative feelings or self-criticisms. It's generally awakening of something spiritual inside of you. And we all describe that with different languages. Different religions have different symbolisms, different rituals of trying to get ideas across, and usually unsuccessfully for the most part. That people love to go to church and dress up and

getting over negative feelings or self-criticisms. It's generally awakening of something spiritual inside of you. And we all describe that with different languages. Different religions have different symbolisms, different rituals of trying to get ideas across, and usually unsuccessfully for the most part. That people love to go to church and dress up and

go to the synagogue or whatever and listen to the sermons and smile and be friendly with everyone, then go out and sin away for another week. Uh, but that's pretty cynical, cynical, but I, but I think it's hard for people to grasp the meaning of Christianity or Buddhism or, or the, you know, the Jewish theological beliefs are pretty deep. And, uh,

go to the synagogue or whatever and listen to the sermons and smile and be friendly with everyone, then go out and sin away for another week. Uh, but that's pretty cynical, cynical, but I, but I think it's hard for people to grasp the meaning of Christianity or Buddhism or, or the, you know, the Jewish theological beliefs are pretty deep. And, uh,

And once you get them, then you suddenly understand, let's say, the Christian idea that we're all flawed. That's behind the ritual of Holy Communion. Why do we have Holy Communion? Because you can't go to heaven through your hard work, through your own works. You need forgiveness. Well, forgiveness is the same as acceptance. Right.

And once you get them, then you suddenly understand, let's say, the Christian idea that we're all flawed. That's behind the ritual of Holy Communion. Why do we have Holy Communion? Because you can't go to heaven through your hard work, through your own works. You need forgiveness. Well, forgiveness is the same as acceptance. Right.

And that's the same as the Buddhist concept of the great death of the self and enlightenment. And so we're in no way trying to challenge any of that, but rather bring new meaning into that and make that accessible to more people. My father was pretty rigid, and I'm probably way too hard on him. I talk to him a little bit every day now when I go out on my walk. I finally let him in. But...

And that's the same as the Buddhist concept of the great death of the self and enlightenment. And so we're in no way trying to challenge any of that, but rather bring new meaning into that and make that accessible to more people. My father was pretty rigid, and I'm probably way too hard on him. I talk to him a little bit every day now when I go out on my walk. I finally let him in. But...

He used to think that psychiatrists were of the devil. He really said that. And so I'm sure he didn't like that I became a psychiatrist. But I have experienced the healing I've learned to do as really giving people the gift of their own spirituality in a much deeper level. Does that make sense, Max, at all?

He used to think that psychiatrists were of the devil. He really said that. And so I'm sure he didn't like that I became a psychiatrist. But I have experienced the healing I've learned to do as really giving people the gift of their own spirituality in a much deeper level. Does that make sense, Max, at all?

Yeah, he's just saying that we're alive and we're doing shit all the time. And that's what we can talk about. And all this esoteric stuff is just phony baloney. But that doesn't mean that spirituality is phony baloney at all. And that love or compassion for people who are suffering is... is phony in any way.

Yeah, he's just saying that we're alive and we're doing shit all the time. And that's what we can talk about. And all this esoteric stuff is just phony baloney. But that doesn't mean that spirituality is phony baloney at all. And that love or compassion for people who are suffering is... is phony in any way.

That's what, you know, real spirituality has to do with response to the suffering of other people in a compassionate way. Yeah, beautifully said. Well, thank you, Max. You'll have to make more cameo appearances.

That's what, you know, real spirituality has to do with response to the suffering of other people in a compassionate way. Yeah, beautifully said. Well, thank you, Max. You'll have to make more cameo appearances.