Dr. Rhonda Patrick

Right, right.

And it only continued. It started 20 years ago. It was kind of like, you know, the start of it. And then it continued on throughout, you know, and it's still a thing in the aging. A lot of aging researchers think that. So there's a variety of lines of evidence that convinced, I think, I'd say these people that are in the longevity world that you should limit your protein intake to be healthier.

And it only continued. It started 20 years ago. It was kind of like, you know, the start of it. And then it continued on throughout, you know, and it's still a thing in the aging. A lot of aging researchers think that. So there's a variety of lines of evidence that convinced, I think, I'd say these people that are in the longevity world that you should limit your protein intake to be healthier.

One is a lot of animal studies where they've done these protein restrictions and their cardiovascular systems better. They don't get as much cancer. Their life expectancy is extended, right? And so there's a lot of reasons for these animal studies.

One is a lot of animal studies where they've done these protein restrictions and their cardiovascular systems better. They don't get as much cancer. Their life expectancy is extended, right? And so there's a lot of reasons for these animal studies.

I'll say, though, then I had Dr. Stu Phillips on, and he really brought up a lot of good points with that research, which is you have these mice in a sterile environment. They're not getting influenza. They're not getting any respiratory illness.

I'll say, though, then I had Dr. Stu Phillips on, and he really brought up a lot of good points with that research, which is you have these mice in a sterile environment. They're not getting influenza. They're not getting any respiratory illness.

They're not in the wild. They're not in the wild. They're basically just eating all day. They're kind of sedentary, and they're eating... But they're not like... A little box. Yeah. They're not being exposed to these... They're not like hitting these catabolic crises that humans do that we just talked about, right?

They're not in the wild. They're not in the wild. They're basically just eating all day. They're kind of sedentary, and they're eating... But they're not like... A little box. Yeah. They're not being exposed to these... They're not like hitting these catabolic crises that humans do that we just talked about, right?

Where you're in the hospital and then you're not moving around because you've been sick for, you know, a couple of weeks or you have a surgery and that keeps happening and you lose all this muscle mass and you just... You really start to go down, right? Yeah. And it's a really good point because it's absolutely true. On top of that, you know, it's also these mice are not very physically active.

Where you're in the hospital and then you're not moving around because you've been sick for, you know, a couple of weeks or you have a surgery and that keeps happening and you lose all this muscle mass and you just... You really start to go down, right? Yeah. And it's a really good point because it's absolutely true. On top of that, you know, it's also these mice are not very physically active.

And so if you're eating protein and you are physically active, the protein is going to your muscle and it's building muscle, right? It's not activating all these pathways in the body that are known to help cancer cells grow like the IGF-1 or mTOR pathway. mTOR is getting activated, but it's doing it in the muscle where you want it. And so, you know, I was a little bit indoctrinated in that field.

And so if you're eating protein and you are physically active, the protein is going to your muscle and it's building muscle, right? It's not activating all these pathways in the body that are known to help cancer cells grow like the IGF-1 or mTOR pathway. mTOR is getting activated, but it's doing it in the muscle where you want it. And so, you know, I was a little bit indoctrinated in that field.

Of like less protein.

Of like less protein.

Of like less protein, yeah.

Of like less protein, yeah.

Less muscle.

Less muscle.

Yeah, I mean, it wasn't necessarily less muscle, but it kind of like the less protein, like the, you know, it was not as important. And then there's a lot of observational data. So this is data in humans where you look at a correlation between what they eat and what an outcome is. So people that are eating like 20% of their calories are coming from protein, particularly animal-based protein.