Dr. Rhonda Patrick

And I was like, oh, so it's like regrowing hair.

And she was like, yeah, we've done like a small study and we added...

It was like a combination of growth factors that are involved in, like, you know, stem cell production in the hair follicle.

And so I'm wondering if, like, you... But that's why I was, like, interested in the microneedling, too, with the hair.

I was like, oh, so they're essentially just making it better absorbed.

You're, like, you're getting... Whereas if you were to put some, you know, stem cell factors on just your scalp, like, it's just not going to get absorbed, really.

That seems like a legit pathway for for some men that are like a little bit skittish about potential side effects with the oral drugs as well, because like the finasteride and what is the other one?

Dutasteride.

Dutasteride.

You know, you mentioned the erection, but like, are there any other serious side effects with those that are really cancer?

I've heard of this like post-dutaster or post-finasteride syndrome.

Oh, for sure.

It's very real.

Yeah.

And there's actually, believe it or not, there's genes that you can, there's SNPs that are known that you can look at.

And even 23andMe does measure these SNPs for placebo versus nocebo.

And so like some people are more,

like susceptible to a placebo effect where they like believe in something and it's going to happen.

And I'm like, like I'm taking all my creatine.

I'm like, yes, I'm like, I'm not getting sleepy in the afternoon and it could be placebo, but I don't care because it's a real effect, right?