Dr Ria Lina

I mean, it was pretty much the same.

Well, it wasn't, but you know what I mean?

I know bits and pieces, but when you study virus evolution, it actually doesn't come up in terms of human medicine as frequently as you would have thought, even though you can kind of look back and go, oh, that was a virus.

That was a virus.

So I'm excited.

Especially 16th century.

I've been sitting here for five minutes going, is that the 1500s or the 1700s?

Because it's always one number out, isn't it?

The 1500s.

See, when you say Renaissance, great.

I'm thinking Italians.

I'm thinking French.

I'm thinking some wonderful progression in science.

Then you said England and I went, oh, that's a very different thing.

You know, that could be as big as we don't poo outdoors anymore.

Do you know what I mean?

Like progress for the English, especially back then, wasn't quite the same as progress for the rest of Europe.

All of the turtles doing their thing.

Definitely.

But if you're going to narrow it to the 1500s, and of course, you've mentioned Shakespeare, this is screaming to me, specifically Queen Elizabeth I, because I'm not going to give Mary that much credit for any kind of progress in the five years that she... I'm sorry, I'm just not going to do it.