Dr. Richard Bosshardt

of surgeons come in and say, hey, wait a minute, what's going on in my profession?

Absolutely. I mean, think about this. You're – You're an intelligent person. You have probably a wealth of experience because of what you do. You weren't aware of racial concordance. And I mean, you ask any guy in the street about that, they're going to just look at you like, you know, you have two heads. What the heck is that?

Absolutely. I mean, think about this. You're – You're an intelligent person. You have probably a wealth of experience because of what you do. You weren't aware of racial concordance. And I mean, you ask any guy in the street about that, they're going to just look at you like, you know, you have two heads. What the heck is that?

Absolutely. I mean, think about this. You're – You're an intelligent person. You have probably a wealth of experience because of what you do. You weren't aware of racial concordance. And I mean, you ask any guy in the street about that, they're going to just look at you like, you know, you have two heads. What the heck is that?

Well, that's what they call evidence-based medicine, which is. Well, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's what they call evidence-based medicine, which is. Well, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's what they call evidence-based medicine, which is. Well, right. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, think about it from this standpoint too. Think about the, for example, Celia Nelson, the female Jamaican black surgeon that was on the Zoom call with me. She's worked as hard as anybody to get to where she is. She's an excellent surgeon. I mean, she's experienced racism.

Well, think about it from this standpoint too. Think about the, for example, Celia Nelson, the female Jamaican black surgeon that was on the Zoom call with me. She's worked as hard as anybody to get to where she is. She's an excellent surgeon. I mean, she's experienced racism.

Well, think about it from this standpoint too. Think about the, for example, Celia Nelson, the female Jamaican black surgeon that was on the Zoom call with me. She's worked as hard as anybody to get to where she is. She's an excellent surgeon. I mean, she's experienced racism.

And she'll tell you flat out, yeah, when she first arrived there, people would mistake her for, you know, asked her to get a cup of coffee in the surgeon's lab. You know, those sorts of things. And she also noticed that sometimes when she'd walk into an exam room in the emergency room, that, you know, the look she would get was, you know, who is this? Is this... Someone good.

And she'll tell you flat out, yeah, when she first arrived there, people would mistake her for, you know, asked her to get a cup of coffee in the surgeon's lab. You know, those sorts of things. And she also noticed that sometimes when she'd walk into an exam room in the emergency room, that, you know, the look she would get was, you know, who is this? Is this... Someone good.

And she'll tell you flat out, yeah, when she first arrived there, people would mistake her for, you know, asked her to get a cup of coffee in the surgeon's lab. You know, those sorts of things. And she also noticed that sometimes when she'd walk into an exam room in the emergency room, that, you know, the look she would get was, you know, who is this? Is this... Someone good.

And she's worked through all that. She's worked through that. She's just put her head down. She worked hard. And now she says what happens is when she goes into the ER, that patient has already heard from multiple staff what a wonderful surgeon they're getting. She's going to be in there to see them. So she's earned her place. But think how unfair it is for the people coming up now.

And she's worked through all that. She's worked through that. She's just put her head down. She worked hard. And now she says what happens is when she goes into the ER, that patient has already heard from multiple staff what a wonderful surgeon they're getting. She's going to be in there to see them. So she's earned her place. But think how unfair it is for the people coming up now.

And she's worked through all that. She's worked through that. She's just put her head down. She worked hard. And now she says what happens is when she goes into the ER, that patient has already heard from multiple staff what a wonderful surgeon they're getting. She's going to be in there to see them. So she's earned her place. But think how unfair it is for the people coming up now.

the minority, if you will, surgeons that have to face this idea when they go into a room, that person may look at them and say, gee, is this a DEI hire? Or is this a person that really- I think everyone thinks that. That went through, that got here because of their excellence, because of their excellent academic performance in college and medical school.

the minority, if you will, surgeons that have to face this idea when they go into a room, that person may look at them and say, gee, is this a DEI hire? Or is this a person that really- I think everyone thinks that. That went through, that got here because of their excellence, because of their excellent academic performance in college and medical school.

the minority, if you will, surgeons that have to face this idea when they go into a room, that person may look at them and say, gee, is this a DEI hire? Or is this a person that really- I think everyone thinks that. That went through, that got here because of their excellence, because of their excellent academic performance in college and medical school.

Because of their excellent performance in their residency? Because they met all the standards, the standards that everyone should have to meet? Or am I getting someone who's a little bit less because of this? And that's part of the unfairness of it.