Dr. Richard Davidson

Yeah, that's great.

And I totally resonate with that.

And there is a

a phrase in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition that is called undistracted non-meditation.

undistracted non-meditation.

And that's said to be the highest form of meditation, where you just drop all the crap, all the techniques, all the control, all the tightness.

But you're totally awake.

You're fully aware.

Yeah.

But there's no...

There's no, it's just complete freedom.

And there are, I think there, I've had the honor of just hanging out with some people who I think are really in that as a trait, that that's who they are.

Yeah, I agree.

You know, there's a term that I often use which I can talk about how we can define this more technically but for lack of a better word I call stickiness.

And it's kind of an affective hysteresis, if you will.

It's kind of where you're hanging on to emotions that...

that may not be useful, you're carrying stuff from a previous experience into a current experience and it muddles things.

And our emotional lives are so infused with this kind of stickiness, but like with Rick Rubin or with other people who are showing this, there's no stickiness.

There's no stickiness.

And that's a kind of freedom that I think is very much what we're talking about as the trait manifestation of these kinds of practices.