Dr. Robert Thurman

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The Dr. Hyman Show · How to Break Free from Suffering: A Guide to Finding Inner Peace · 2 Dec 2024 podcast

No, that's correct. But the certain way that we're attached to them is that we can't understand them. They are not us. They are a vast, in the case of materialism, which is our mainstream view in America nowadays. It's a vast material realm that is, you know, nobody can count all the fish in the ocean, all this kind of thing.

So knowledge is quantifiable, has to be, and you never will get to, in an infinite universe, you'll never get to the full quantity, ever. So our misunderstanding of the way things are has to do with our inability to be all right within everything, you see. And the key component is that we're ignorant, but we know we're ignorant. So therefore we're attached to being ignorant, actually.

And if we really realize what ignorance means, then we will realize that we don't know, that we can't be sure that we're going to stay ignorant, and then we can change our mind. Follow me? So it's that first beginning point. It's a shift. That's the big shift. We can know. And we can develop wisdom. And the wisdom can overcome that cause. It's like that's the antidote, right? But wait.

Then the next thing is the third noble fact. and the third noble fact is freedom from suffering happiness and this is what nobody i'm afraid really teaches well who teaches buddhism they all stick on the suffering and that's joining and terrorizing people and the buddhists themselves do that and they say oh i'm so happy i'm allowed to suffer That's nonsense! Nobody's allowing.

Buddha doesn't want anybody to suffer. He's compassionate. He doesn't want them to suffer. That's the whole point. The recognition of the suffering is just a way of starting to cure it. It's like when you're a doctor, if you go into the patient and you say, oh, you're a diabetic, yeah, yeah, you'll never get rid of that. Have you done the job as a doctor? I don't think so.

You're just taunting people, basically. Right? That's no good. If you see a patient and they have a problem, sometimes you may have to say, I don't know how we can deal with this. You know, get ready to move on to a new life. But, of course, that's a big problem. And that's a big problem for materialist doctors, because their train that all people have is the physical life.

So they don't know how to help them across that frontier, you know, which is actually not that bad. Once you let go, they actually, it's, you know, French you know they have an expression for orgasm you know what that is and it's a little death and a pretty mall and So that's but that's not what you're fighting to stay alive.

That's when you let go you know And you're no longer burdened with a body that's malfunctioning and then you think you're gonna be nothing and that of course is typical delusion it's like it's like science supposedly goes by experiencing things to experiment and Experimental experimental data is supposed to outweigh theory, dogma, like everything is matter, for example, that's a big dogma.

But experience is supposed to outweigh that, right? And yet, which scientist discovered the nothing that a materialist is so certain they're going to when they die? Which one discovered that?

Nobody. Exactly. And not only did nobody do it, but common sense will tell you nobody ever will. Because nothing is a word for something that you don't discover. And therefore, you won't get there by dying. The law of thermodynamics, the conservation of energy, goes for the mind. It's the conservation of energy of the mind.

But the exact what it is, well, that's an open question that we can investigate. And science should be investigated. And Buddhist science investigated that thousands of years ago and has some descriptions. But this is also the great thing. They say that no description of relative reality is the final description, the dogma. Except for that. You know, that it's open, in other words.

That it's always open for a little more refined, better analysis and helpful in this context. But all such explanations are only good in certain contexts. And your mind is always open for further, deeper understanding. So wait, then the fourth noble fact, the fourth noble fact is the Eightfold Path, of education. And here's where typical mistraining comes from Buddhists, most Buddhists.

They say training, they call it. But the word Adi Shiksha in Sanskrit or in Pali or in Tibetan, Shiksha, today in Hindi, is the word for the Department of Education in the Indian government.

Sanskrit. Yeah, but not Hindi.

yeah yeah yeah oh yeah and so so you read the original text so you don't have to go through a filter third party you get to actually well somewhere directly to the source it all gets so rusty i'm getting to where i can barely speak english often you're doing okay but the point is the fourth noble truth therefore is a curriculum it's a higher education in uh reality science

discovery reality, which is the job of science, wisdom, which is the goal of science, should be not just a quantifiable data list, but wisdom, ethics, you know, how to behave in a realistic manner, and mind or meditation or how to cultivate your mind and how to manage your mind. So there's a higher education in those three things. And the eight branches fit into these three higher education.

But they say training. Why do they say training? I'll tell you why. Because in our culture, we're all totally overeducated. We've been four years here, eight years there, four years there, medical school, you know, totally. And we have these degrees and we're still pissed off.

Still suffering and still frustrated. So we think, and of course we think our education is the greatest that ever happened on the planet, in the universe. You know, maybe we're the only beings in the universe we stupidly think, and then also we, you know, that talk, you know, and then we think it's the greatest. So since we've had this huge education, it must suck.

So we want to think that Buddhism is just empty your mind and then you're fine. Don't have a mind, in other words, it's just absolutely the wrong thing to do. The greatest thing we have is the human mind. It's a little bit divine, you know? Yeah. And we agree with the religions on that.

And it's vulnerable, which is the problem with the gods, is they are divine, but they're just in their thousand-year jacuzzi, and they never do anything. So they deny all about the suffering, you know? But we are not, because we bump into things. We stub our toes, you know? And so the point is,

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