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Dr. Roel Konijnendijk

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The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

in exchange for this big bag of money.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Xenophon implies that a lot of people are very happy with this big bag of money that others rejected but are happy to fight the Spartans anyway.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Supposedly the Athenians are like, no, we'll do it for free.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

There is a lot of discontent that sort of bubbles to the surface at that point and the money may or may not have been a sort of nudge, a further sort of nudge in that direction.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

The other account, Hellenic Oxyrhynchia, I think doesn't mention the money at all, is not interested in saying you were bribed into it.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So are these papyri?

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Yeah, so this is a papyrus story, another source.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

If you want to get really nerdy about it, there is a rival account which helps us in some cases and complicates things in others.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Anyway, this is why the Persians are important, but also because they have been, as I said, marinating this Athenian commander and building a fleet around him.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

which at that point they actually send into the Aegean to challenge the Spartans.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

And so that is the moment when Persians are sort of simultaneously starting a war on land that is waged by a coalition of Greek states and a war at sea, which is waged very much by the Persians themselves.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

I mean, so it plays out very differently on land and sea, which is why Xenophon actually separates these two things.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

He talks only about the land campaigns and at the very end he's like, also, we go back a few years in time and then talk about the sea campaign, which is very interesting as a historical structure.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

That's actually very novel.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Fundamentally, on land, you have a coalition of Athens, Argos, Corinth, and Thebes, the four greatest cities on the mainland.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

Arguably, each of them individually is a larger population than Sparta.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

They try to fight the Spartans.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

It goes very badly for them.

The Ancients
Fall of Sparta

So Sparta does recall Agasileus from Asia Minor, which is what the Persians want.