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Dr. Samer Hattar

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Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

We know that they use completely different brain regions.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So the SCN that I told you about earlier, the place where the central pacemaker is, the one that receives direct input from the retina through the IPRGCs to adjust your circadian clock,

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

is not the area that receives the light input for mood regulation.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

It's a completely different brain region.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

And what's really amazing, this region also receives direct input from the IPRGCs, but projects to areas in the brain that are known to regulate mood, including the ventral medial prefrontal cortex, which has been studied for many years to be impacted in a human depression.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So just by this amazing serendipity to find that a region that is so deep in the advanced brain, like the prefrontal cortex is your executive brain, one of the most elaborated in humans, to see that they receive input from these ancient photoreceptor was stunning to us.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So that's why we came up with the tripartite model, because as a circadian biologist, I only thought of light through the circadian clock affecting behavior.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

As a sleep biologist, they only thought of the homeostatic drive affecting sleep, affecting behavior.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

And for people who study light for vision and other things, they thought only of the environmental input.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

But now if you put them all together, you get with this tripartite model where it's really mind-boggling and it makes so much sense.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

The organism doesn't want to depend on a single component.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

But if you could incorporate these three together, you could have a beautiful system that is well-adapted.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So let me tell you the sleep-wake cycle, right?

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So we know there is a homeostatic drive to affect sleep.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

We've had beautiful talks about that.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

Which is basically the longer you're awake, the more you want to be asleep.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So that's your homeostatic drive.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

We've talked about the circadian influence of sleep and the fact that light-dark cycle affect the circadian system, which eventually affects sleep.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

So these two components are well understood.

Huberman Lab
Essentials: Timing Light for Better Sleep, Energy & Mood | Dr. Samer Hattar

Now, the third factor is your direct light or environmental input.