Dr. Sanjay Gupta

That makes sense, right?

That's right.

I think you have to address both.

That's the thing.

I think we live in a very monotherapy sort of simplistic culture sometimes when it comes to medicine.

Mm-hmm.

I wanted to identify the problem as elegantly as I can and then address that single problem.

But the idea that maybe your pain is worse because you're not getting sleep, that bi-directional thing.

Because I think most people think I'm not getting good sleep because of the pain.

So take more pain meds, do things to address the pain.

But what the studies have shown is if you address the sleep,

as a primary sort of thing, you can greatly reduce your pain scores.

Simply by addressing sleep.

Sleep.

That's the thing.

And this is measurable.

I think that people have sort of anecdotally known this for some time.

But, you know, understandably, we're a society that wants data and evidence and facts and proof of that.

You know, we treat symptoms far more than we treat root causes.

And I think pain is probably the best example of that in society.