Dr. Sanjay Gupta

And if you can get it working, it's fantastic.

Yeah, there are lots of things that we can do.

A lot of people refer to this whole endogenous opioid system as a component of the placebo effect, right?

Yeah, but placebos can work.

That's the thing is that, you know, everything gets tested against a placebo.

And people have often asked, I gave that person a sugar pill and yet they improved.

Like, how could that possibly be?

It's not the sugar pill, obviously.

It's your expectation that that was going to help.

And when you expect something to help, it helps.

Expectations and experience are inextricably linked.

If you expect something to work for your pain, it's far more likely to work.

It's far more likely to change your experience.

And what is at the root of that is probably this endogenous opioid system.

You're just basically making your body create all these various substances that are going to make you feel better.

One of the things I got really interested in, Mel, with regard to what you can do at home is meditation.

I think a lot of people hear meditation, sounds good.

I mean, I like to meditate every now and then.

It relaxes me, chills me out, whatever, me too.

What I think has happened over the last decade is that these researchers have decided to really put it to the test and figure out how do we actually test the value of something like meditation?