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Dr. Sergiu Pașcă

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Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

But for us and in primates, it's as simple as this.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

So what we did was we essentially made an organoid that resembles the cortex and has some of those neurons.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And then we made an organoid that resembles the spinal cord.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

and has some motor neurons in it.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And then we made a ball of human muscle that you can make from a biopsy.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

You can literally biopsy a muscle.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

You get the myoblast, you grow them, and you get a nice ball of muscle.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And then, of course, the challenge was that the reality is that we don't know how those cells find each other.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

Like in development, we know some of the molecular cues that they use, but we're far from having a comprehensive understanding of how they find each other.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And I remember we were sitting down in the lab and kind of like thinking, I resisted actually doing this as the first assembloid in the lab for a while because the probability was like against us.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

Like those cells in the cortical organoid that are less than 5%, the motor neurons are less than 10%.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

The probability that they find each other perfectly and in enough numbers to trigger muscle contraction was close to zero.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And yet you do it, you put the three parts together, you let them assemble.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And within a few weeks, you can actually now stimulate the cortex.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

with whatever you want to use, with an electrode, with light, and then the muscle starts to contract.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And in fact, the more you do it, the more reliable the process is.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

And then, of course, we went on, so like reverse engineering it and figure out that indeed the cells have connected in that precise way.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

So I think what we started actually to realize was that, of course, a lot of stem cell biology was, you know, I think a lot of biology was based on chemical and physical factors that we were leveraging.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

But we've never truly leveraged this kind of like next level of law or power in biology, which is self-organization.

Huberman Lab
Using Stem Cells to Cure Autism, Epilepsy & Schizophrenia | Dr. Sergiu Pașca

the ability of a biological system, of build it itself.