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Dr. Shashi Tharoor

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
261 total appearances

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The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

and told him to lay off, which he did. All those three cases were essentially the U.S. putting pressure on the Pakistanis, who in every case were in the wrong. They were the perpetrators of terror. They were the perpetrators of violence. In the case of Kargil, they were the ones who had led an invasion of Indian territory. So in all those cases, the US was telling one side.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

and told him to lay off, which he did. All those three cases were essentially the U.S. putting pressure on the Pakistanis, who in every case were in the wrong. They were the perpetrators of terror. They were the perpetrators of violence. In the case of Kargil, they were the ones who had led an invasion of Indian territory. So in all those cases, the US was telling one side.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

I would say that in this particular instance, in as much as there was any strong American messaging coming, it was almost certainly directed principally to the Pakistanis because India at no stage wanted to prolong a war. See, India, David, is a status quo power. It is a country that basically would be very happy to be left alone. There's nothing Pakistan has that we want.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

I would say that in this particular instance, in as much as there was any strong American messaging coming, it was almost certainly directed principally to the Pakistanis because India at no stage wanted to prolong a war. See, India, David, is a status quo power. It is a country that basically would be very happy to be left alone. There's nothing Pakistan has that we want.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

I would say that in this particular instance, in as much as there was any strong American messaging coming, it was almost certainly directed principally to the Pakistanis because India at no stage wanted to prolong a war. See, India, David, is a status quo power. It is a country that basically would be very happy to be left alone. There's nothing Pakistan has that we want.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We'd be very happy to focus on our own growth, our own development, the well-being and prosperity of our own people. We are a high tech economy moving in that direction. We are trying to find a way forward in the 21st century. We are already the world's fifth largest economy in dollar terms, and in purchasing power parity terms, the third largest. So that's where our ambitions and aspirations are.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We'd be very happy to focus on our own growth, our own development, the well-being and prosperity of our own people. We are a high tech economy moving in that direction. We are trying to find a way forward in the 21st century. We are already the world's fifth largest economy in dollar terms, and in purchasing power parity terms, the third largest. So that's where our ambitions and aspirations are.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We'd be very happy to focus on our own growth, our own development, the well-being and prosperity of our own people. We are a high tech economy moving in that direction. We are trying to find a way forward in the 21st century. We are already the world's fifth largest economy in dollar terms, and in purchasing power parity terms, the third largest. So that's where our ambitions and aspirations are.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We don't want to get bogged down into a meaningless war with a bunch of Islamist fanatics whose lust for our territory is what motivates them. When you're a status quo power, what you want to do is to just continue with the way things are. Next door to us, unfortunately, is a revisionist power, a power that is not happy with the existing state of regional geopolitics and wants to upend it.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We don't want to get bogged down into a meaningless war with a bunch of Islamist fanatics whose lust for our territory is what motivates them. When you're a status quo power, what you want to do is to just continue with the way things are. Next door to us, unfortunately, is a revisionist power, a power that is not happy with the existing state of regional geopolitics and wants to upend it.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

We don't want to get bogged down into a meaningless war with a bunch of Islamist fanatics whose lust for our territory is what motivates them. When you're a status quo power, what you want to do is to just continue with the way things are. Next door to us, unfortunately, is a revisionist power, a power that is not happy with the existing state of regional geopolitics and wants to upend it.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And that's what the Pakistanis sadly are. So they couldn't do it by conventional means. They kept losing formal wars against us. So from 1989 onwards, having learned an unfortunate lesson, from the success of the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union and Afghanistan from Pakistani soil, the Pakistanis decided to turn that technique against us.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And that's what the Pakistanis sadly are. So they couldn't do it by conventional means. They kept losing formal wars against us. So from 1989 onwards, having learned an unfortunate lesson, from the success of the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union and Afghanistan from Pakistani soil, the Pakistanis decided to turn that technique against us.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And that's what the Pakistanis sadly are. So they couldn't do it by conventional means. They kept losing formal wars against us. So from 1989 onwards, having learned an unfortunate lesson, from the success of the Mujahideen against the Soviet Union and Afghanistan from Pakistani soil, the Pakistanis decided to turn that technique against us.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And they started unleashing Mujahideen by various names and various terror organization, front organizations into Indian territory to wreak havoc against innocent Indian civilians. They've been doing that since 1989. This is year 36 of Pakistani terrorism. you can understand that we really have lost patience with this.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And they started unleashing Mujahideen by various names and various terror organization, front organizations into Indian territory to wreak havoc against innocent Indian civilians. They've been doing that since 1989. This is year 36 of Pakistani terrorism. you can understand that we really have lost patience with this.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

And they started unleashing Mujahideen by various names and various terror organization, front organizations into Indian territory to wreak havoc against innocent Indian civilians. They've been doing that since 1989. This is year 36 of Pakistani terrorism. you can understand that we really have lost patience with this.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

Yeah, and there was some slightly confused messaging also coming out of all of this, that the first statements of Mr. Trump were that, oh, these Indians and Pakistanis have been fighting for thousands of years, which is slightly odd because Pakistan has only existed for 77 years as a country, so... They haven't fought anybody for a century, let alone centuries or thousands of years.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

Yeah, and there was some slightly confused messaging also coming out of all of this, that the first statements of Mr. Trump were that, oh, these Indians and Pakistanis have been fighting for thousands of years, which is slightly odd because Pakistan has only existed for 77 years as a country, so... They haven't fought anybody for a century, let alone centuries or thousands of years.

The David Frum Show
A Jet, a Lie, a Tariff: The Trump Grift Machine

Yeah, and there was some slightly confused messaging also coming out of all of this, that the first statements of Mr. Trump were that, oh, these Indians and Pakistanis have been fighting for thousands of years, which is slightly odd because Pakistan has only existed for 77 years as a country, so... They haven't fought anybody for a century, let alone centuries or thousands of years.