Dr. Stephen Meyer

And so these two old codgers in their 80s start taking themselves to church without the wives prompting them.

There's an astrophysicist in our film named Sarah Salviander who has some very interesting videos about how just the first couple verses of Genesis comport so beautifully with our modern cosmological understanding of the origin of the universe.

It's definitely worth a look.

And she's in the film.

She's awesome.

Well, can I make one more comment about Sal and then come back to your question?

The other thing in the Genesis account and also in what's called the John 9 prologue, the first chapter of the book of John, is you get this connection between God creating and information.

In the beginning, God said in Genesis, okay?

And then in John 1, it's in the beginning was the Word.

And one of the scientists that I heard at this initial –

A conference where I also heard Sandich, a man named Dean Kenyon, he was a leading chemical evolutionary theorist who repudiated his own theory because he realized it couldn't explain the origin of the information in DNA.

And so he had this kind of interesting multi-phase intellectual, first intellectual conversion, where he shifted from chemical evolutionary theory to saying at this conference, it's time for the theologians and the philosophers to reopen the natural theological question.

In other words, is nature pointing to God because of the information in DNA?

And so he first shifted from being a chemical evolutionary theorist to being a

proponent of intelligent design, and then he came across the scriptural passages, also in one of the letters of the epistles of John, it talks about Jesus Christ being the word of life.

And this recurrent idea that word is necessary to creation, and you realize,

That's what we're seeing in biology.

You can't build life, you can't build biological form without biological information.

So he ended up having a full-on religious conversion as well as a scientific conversion.

And it was predicated by some of these insights that he was having scientifically