Dr. Stephen Meyer

But they don't really exist physically anywhere.

It's more of a mathematical expression.

It's a function, okay?

And so out of that, they say, the universe comes.

So you have this weird paradox where out of math comes matter, space, time, and energy, number one.

And...

Secondly, to get the right math, the right wave function that would include a universe like ours, which would allow the physicists to say that we've explained our universe, you have to solve this big prior hairy equation.

But the equation has an infinite number of solutions unless you artificially constrain what are called the boundary conditions.

So you've got to restrict the degrees of mathematical freedom of this big hairy equation to get an output that you want that enables you to say, well, our universe could have come out of that.

But what are you doing?

You're inputting information into the math to get the output you want, which is to say you are modeling the intelligent design of the universe.

So this is supposedly a model that gets you around the beginning and around the implication of a creation event, but it just brings in a need for transcendent design on other grounds.

It's a kind of fine tuning.

So I explained this in the, so there's a big quantum dimension to all of this, but it doesn't solve the problem of the creation, of the need for a creator.

It actually reinforces it in a different way.

And also, what is this thing about matter coming out of math?

Math is conceptual.

And one of the great quantum physicists, Alexander Valenkin, has said, you know, if before there was matter, space, time, and energy, if these equations, this realm of equations existed before matter, space, time, and energy existed,

What could that be?

Because equations, math, this is the realm of – these are conceptual.