Dr. Stephen Meyer

But that ruling has no applicability beyond that area of central Pennsylvania.

But what was interesting was afterwards, the kind of scientific atheists were very quick to dance on our graves.

and say it's over after Dover.

That was their mantra.

And now we're in, and in oh four, I had published one of the first peer reviewed scientific articles in a mainstream journal.

It was a journal published out of the Smithsonian institution, uh,

called the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington.

And that caused a huge furor.

The editor got persecuted and hounded, eventually ended up leaving the Smithsonian for having allowed the article to go through peer review and getting published.

Now we're 20 years on from that or more, and our latest count was 328 peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals.

And lots more, almost 300 books.

And our message is getting out.

I think we're attracting young people, young scientists, much faster than the opposite point of view.

We have the energies on our side.

But beyond that, I think there's been a shift in the culture.

The new atheists of Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, these guys I think massively overplayed their hand.

Dawkins is not quite a figure of ridicule in the UK, but you can't use him as a foil anymore because it's understood that he overplayed his hand.

and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of his sidekicks for many years, has recently announced a conversion to Christianity.

Oh, I've read about this.

Yeah, to your point, she's said, among other reasons for her becoming Christian, is that the Bible and Christianity, belief in God, answers that fundamental question of meaning, and that scientific atheism, that scientific atheism simply can't answer.