Dr. Steven Gundry

Well, you know, like General Patton said, if everybody's thinking the same way, then somebody isn't thinking. I love it. It's so true. I love it. Artist Shaggy has a song that his mother told him, if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.

Anyhow, I've been on Mark Hyman's podcast. He's a friend of mine. Mark has a daughter who's a third-year medical student at a very prestigious university.

Anyhow, I've been on Mark Hyman's podcast. He's a friend of mine. Mark has a daughter who's a third-year medical student at a very prestigious university.

i won't mention uh she has yet to get a course on the microbiome in her third year of medical school that's craziness and i've been on a podcast where supposedly a famous cardiologist told me that gastroenterologists think that the microbiome has nothing to do with health and it's like okay um okay um You know, it's funny.

i won't mention uh she has yet to get a course on the microbiome in her third year of medical school that's craziness and i've been on a podcast where supposedly a famous cardiologist told me that gastroenterologists think that the microbiome has nothing to do with health and it's like okay um okay um You know, it's funny.

Years ago, there was a pediatrician in Boston who noticed that practicing pediatricians were 20 years behind current research knowledge. And he set up, Don Bergen is his name, and he set up an organization called the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, where he asked people from various disciplines, to literally investigate the status of the knowledge in your particular discipline.

Years ago, there was a pediatrician in Boston who noticed that practicing pediatricians were 20 years behind current research knowledge. And he set up, Don Bergen is his name, and he set up an organization called the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, where he asked people from various disciplines, to literally investigate the status of the knowledge in your particular discipline.

And it turns out I was selected in cardiology and cardiac surgery. And long story short, we published a bunch of papers about this. In cardiology and cardiac surgery, the practicing physician was about 20 years behind common knowledge, research knowledge. And this institute We tried to put into effect bringing people up to common knowledge.

And it turns out I was selected in cardiology and cardiac surgery. And long story short, we published a bunch of papers about this. In cardiology and cardiac surgery, the practicing physician was about 20 years behind common knowledge, research knowledge. And this institute We tried to put into effect bringing people up to common knowledge.

And there is tremendous amounts of resistance to doing this for many, many good reasons. So, anyhow. Yeah. One person, when I really didn't go after one of my detractors, said, you know, you're kind of like a silverback gorilla. who's just kind of sitting there as the little baby gorilla is crawling all over and picking on him. And he's just kind of sitting there.

And there is tremendous amounts of resistance to doing this for many, many good reasons. So, anyhow. Yeah. One person, when I really didn't go after one of my detractors, said, you know, you're kind of like a silverback gorilla. who's just kind of sitting there as the little baby gorilla is crawling all over and picking on him. And he's just kind of sitting there.

And he says, why don't you just reach out like a big, smart silverback gorilla and whack him across the room? And he says, you just sit there and

And he says, why don't you just reach out like a big, smart silverback gorilla and whack him across the room? And he says, you just sit there and

Well, so... We, in training, there were kind of, still is actually, there's kind of an East Coast mentality of cholesterol and maybe a West Coast mentality based out of Berkeley. Berkeley was where these particles were first discovered. And there are, for instance, seven different kinds of LDL and Three of them are actually pretty good for you. Four of them are probably not very good for you.

Well, so... We, in training, there were kind of, still is actually, there's kind of an East Coast mentality of cholesterol and maybe a West Coast mentality based out of Berkeley. Berkeley was where these particles were first discovered. And there are, for instance, seven different kinds of LDL and Three of them are actually pretty good for you. Four of them are probably not very good for you.

There's five different kinds of HDL, but only one of them actually goes around and cleans up your blood vessels. We call it Pac-Man, MOA1, and so on. And then there's another interesting little particle called LP little a and so on that we talked about. And I was very interested in... these particles and whether these particles oxidize or not.

There's five different kinds of HDL, but only one of them actually goes around and cleans up your blood vessels. We call it Pac-Man, MOA1, and so on. And then there's another interesting little particle called LP little a and so on that we talked about. And I was very interested in... these particles and whether these particles oxidize or not.

And on the East Coast, there's a protein that coats all cholesterol particles called ApoB. It's actually a protein. And there's one ApoB for every particle of LDL, no matter how big, how small. So counting ApoB became popular in the East Coast. On the West Coast, we weren't very interested in it because we could look at the particle sizes.

And on the East Coast, there's a protein that coats all cholesterol particles called ApoB. It's actually a protein. And there's one ApoB for every particle of LDL, no matter how big, how small. So counting ApoB became popular in the East Coast. On the West Coast, we weren't very interested in it because we could look at the particle sizes.

Subsequently, we realized that it was whether or not these particles were oxidized, whether they were rusty, that they might be interested in sticking to blood vessels. But Michael DeBakey, one of the fathers of heart surgery from Texas, said in the 1950s and the 60s that cholesterol has nothing to do with plaque in the coronary artery. It's an innocent bystander.