Dr. Steven Hassan

but not necessarily a cult.

And then there are things that are definitely cults, but don't seem like a cult.

And so it leaves us in the space where you go, is this a tool that cults use?

Or is this a tool of cults that non-cults use?

Oh, it goes both ways.

Absolutely.

So you're not necessarily saying that everyone is in a culture.

Or are you saying that they're in a culture?

I can't figure it out.

Now, actually, to that question, though, this is something I've always struggled and grappled with, but I've gone...

Should we try to immunize everybody from cult or cultish ideas?

And is that realistic?

Or should we focus more on the environmental issues?

circumstances that make it easier for somebody to be in that situation.

So going back to what you were saying, you playing football in your little, one of the things that stuck out to me was your friends weren't there that day.

Do you get what I'm saying?

So that becomes the first, I think you're less likely to go talk to these people and to be taken away if your friends were there.

I just identify one point by myself as Trevor.

I go like, oh, okay.

So if you have a robust community, maybe it's less likely.