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Dr. Steven Novella

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The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So what they found were ambulacraria.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Now, why would that matter?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Because they are... They're walking.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

They are deuterostomes.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Deuterostomes, which means mouth second...

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So basically, animal split into mouth first and anus first, or mouth second and anus second.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

I've never heard that before.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Jay starts listening.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So it has to do with what opens first, the anus or the mouth, in the cord, in the axis of an animal.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Pro tip, don't Google that.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So the deuterostomes, so we are deuterostomes, right?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

We are deuterostomes, and we are chordates, and we are vertebrates.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Deuterostomes split into ambulacrarian fossils and ambulacraria and chordates.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So if we're seeing the other branch, that means the split already happened, and therefore chordates must also exist at the same time.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Otherwise, we would be seeing creatures from before the split into the two groups.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Does that make sense?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Yeah.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

Sure.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

All right.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1089 - May 23 2026

So we can infer that there must have been chordates at the same time, because we know they evolved into the common ancestor with the ambulacraria, the deuterostomes.