Dr. Taylor Cummings

And I was like, I really, if I had the time for my dissertation, I would have hooked myself up to that.

a machine while I'm listening.

Because I had this whole playlist and I'm like sitting here taking notes.

And it's like, because while you're listening to something, you're also envisioning things.

You have memories that are coming into your mind.

You also have future things that you're thinking of.

So there's so many things happening in that experience.

And being able to document that experience scientifically, I think was really important for me.

There's a book about your brain on music.

And so really understanding what's happening there.

But just understanding music is...

Yeah, no, that's real.

I was going to say I had a very unhealthy relationship to the gym and to food and many different things like being an athlete.

Well, one, I think you can be addicted, obviously, to many different things.

I've even heard stories of people who drink too much water and that messed up their sodium levels and they ended up in the hospital.

Right.

So anything can be abused.

And so I think one, just thank you for sharing your story as well, because I do think it's very, very important for us to talk about, especially in the black community, especially substances like that, because it's always associated with white folks, you know, and so understanding how

it really impacts us and what it looks like to come up out of that.

But also, as you discuss how it relates to suicidal thoughts and ideations and normalizing those things and our attachment to society and the world and our family, because those are sometimes the things that keep us here.