Dr. Vin Gupta

Now they're just making it even harder.

So what's going to happen?

Those that are on the fringes of medical care, on the fringes of just basic good quality of life from a healthcare perspective, they're going to suffer.

They're going to suffer.

And they're just basically guaranteeing that people are going to fall off the rolls and that a lot of people aren't necessarily going to suffer and likely die because of this policy.

This is moral injury.

This is the definition of moral injury.

Yeah, Ben, there was this sort of just building on our conversations over the last year.

I thought today really brought into stark relief some of these topics we've been talking about.

Again, no physical exam, we're taking the optics of what we're seeing, what we're hearing, and we're asking some questions.

But one, some common takeaways,

the juxtaposition of the we're almost done theme with more strikes are coming, that's confused, almost incoherent thought processes, not linear thinking, not consistent thinking.

he's drifting in his words structure he doesn't he isn't completing sentences as you pointed out um there is sort of erratic decision making uh you know i have my notes here they're constant examples of inconsistencies in his thought these juxtapositions of seemingly paradoxical uh uh policy positions again sort of things are wrapping up but we're gonna bomb them in a stone age i think all of these uh

you know, in addition to the word finding difficulties, the fact that he can't articulate basic words clearly, does make one again ask, is he functioning cognitively?

You know, is he fully there?

Is he passing, you know, he talks often about passing basic cognitive assessments.

That's one thing.

And, you know, flexing that he's passing a basic cognitive assessment,

It doesn't really mean much because you aren't supposed to be repeating those tests frequently.

That doesn't really yield anything from a clinical standpoint if you're repeating a basic cognitive assessment every month.