Dr. Vince Hurley

But if you look at the data, youth crime has, as I said earlier, has halved dramatically.

So, again, it just goes back to this notion of moral panic.

Hypothetically, I'm going to say because we're on a podcast, hypothetically, I might not have locked my house for seven years.

Yeah.

First of all, there's nothing to steal because everything of value to me is up in the cloud, pictures, documents.

So there's nothing to steal.

Yeah.

But people fear crime more than what it is.

Yeah.

A woman was walking down the street.

Would she walk down a dark alley at night?

Probably not because she would fear that something would happen to her.

But the reality is that crime, as we all know, the three of us, has crime come down in Australia consistently for at least the last 15 years.

So we fear crime more.

than actually what is occurring on the street because, as Claude rightly says, it's really visual.

It's in our – it's impact.

So, you know, the era of the Alan Joneses, you're right, is gone because it's now more fractured or there's more players.

There's more social media.

I was talking to Holly.

Yeah.