Dr. Vince Hurley

Right, yeah.

For doing drive-by shootings.

Yeah.

For doing break-and-enters because- They're generic.

Yeah, they're not registered.

They're all black.

You have to wear a helmet.

And that helmet, they're not wearing a helmet because they want to look after their safety.

They're wearing a helmet for a disguise.

Yeah.

So any CCTV that's in any local area.

And now they can go up to 60 kilometres an hour and they can evade the police.

So now there is a trend, which is largely unknown to most members of the public, of organised crime syndicates using e-bikes for these things also.

That money obviously is attractive.

And I won't mention his name because I'll hand it over to you in a minute if you think it's appropriate to mention his name.

But that boy, not boy, the man that we spoke to at Rainbow Lodge who now works for you.

Yep.

Um, he, he talks to some of my students occasionally when, when, when the opportunity arises.

And he made a really good point last year that he had never had money his entire life.

Like he was 40 years aged, lived, scraped, just down money.