Dr. Vivian Chen
Appearances
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I would say a B because I know that they can be helpful for some people. So for example, if your budget is limited and you want to eat beans, Well, beans are still beneficial, right? It's full of fiber, prebiotics, and that can actually probably bind to some of the toxins that you might encounter in the can.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So I don't want to put people off and make them feel depressed like that there's no hope, because if you're eating healthy food in that can, it's still better than eating ultra processed food.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
That's a great reminder. It's kind of a gray area. So if I had a choice and I had the time to make my own beans from scratch, that's an S. If I can find class... beans in glass and you can find those in stores.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. But it's more expensive. Right. So that would be an A and then the canned beans will be a B. Yeah, absolutely.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
The air.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. Okay. So did you know that one of the main ways we ingest microplastic into our body is through the air?
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So it's floating around, riding on the dust when you're washing your synthetic clothes. clothes it's being released into the air to you know when you're laundering it and when you're drying it um you're um when it's funny i didn't realize this but a third of the microplastic in the air that we breathe comes from tires did you know that i i knew it was high i don't know how high it was
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
relate to these rubber tires and these latex tires yeah 100 i didn't know that so i find that fascinating well not fascinating depressing but um fascinatingly depressing that's right but i think it's important because i see people running right next to busy highways Right. How much microplastic is in that air?
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So can you take yourself into like more kind of countryside roads instead of running next to highways? Sure. Right.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Open your windows. And also, if you can, invest in a quality air filter. Because a lot of that, you know, they have in... small enough kind of microns to filter out the microplastics.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. And if it's scratched, it will be a sub F, F minus, because when it's scratched, it actually releases more PFAS into your food.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And one of the main things, like let's say you've just been out walking close to highways or busy roads. Leave your shoes outside the home. Don't bring your shoes inside because that's when you're now bringing those microplastic particles into your home. And those can now ride on the dust in your home.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Every time you're walking around in your home, you're kicking it up and breathing in. And if you have small children, young children, you know, their hand to mouth behavior means they are more exposed than, let's say, an adult.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, because we have so many things in our home that are just off gassing all the time.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
A big one is fragranced products.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. When I travel and I go into Airbnbs, that's when I see those cookware. So people are really attached to Teflon because nonstick. And, you know, when I tell them not to, they go into this huge panic. Like, what do I use instead? How do you cook eggs? That's the biggest question I get asked. And what do you say to that? cast iron.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Well, the problem is that fragrance actually can encompass hundreds to thousands of different chemicals. And most of them are not disclosed. By law, they don't have to disclose anything. in that category to you. So it can very often contain endocrine disruptors like phthalates because phthalates, one of the uses for it is to fix scent.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
If you wash your hair in the morning and you can still smell your shampoo by let's say midday, there's likely phthalates. That's keeping the scent onto your hair. We talked about phthalates earlier. There is an obesogen, it's an endocrine disruptor, so it can disrupt our hormones.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It's been linked to low testosterone, low sperm count, fertility issues in women, allergies in children, asthma in children, and weight gain, prediabetes. I can go on. It's been linked to so many different chronic conditions. So phthalates is something we really need to be
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
cognizant of and if you use perfume i know i see the perfume that's going to be an f your conventional perfume there's some better ones like phthalate free yeah but if you use perfume you basically have 300 percent more phthalates in your body than someone who doesn't that's nuts
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So a well seasoned cast iron is naturally nonstick and you can easily cook eggs on that. And actually you can use stainless steel to cook eggs too. So stainless steel, there's kind of gaps between the metal, the surface. But when you heat it up, the gaps close, and then you get a smooth surface. Then you add your oil, then you should be able to cook your egg on that.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Exactly. So fragrance products, you know, your fragrance cleaning products, that's like really popular, right? Everybody thinks if they spray something that smells like meadows, then your home is clean. But that couldn't be further from the truth. It's actually dirtying the air in your home.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yes. Any fragrance products I would put as an F, unless you're using high quality, pure essential oils.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
EWG, Environmental Working Group. I think they're one of the pioneers in the area. So they started talking about this many, many years ago and they have this EWG database. So you can actually plug in products now. And they give a rating. And what they do is they actually, so if a product is fragrance, they would actually ask the company, hey, give me the ingredients in that fragrance.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And if they don't, then it's an immediate downgrade. If they do, then they look at the ingredients in the fragrance and they'll rate it accordingly. So that's what I like about it. So it's kind of, they really cut that work for you down if you can find a product on their website.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Aluminum actually leaches into the food you're cooking. So again, acidic food. And if you keep cooking at high heat, that actually increases the leaching of aluminum into the food. So if you're wrapping your steak in aluminum and pouring some lemon juice on it, so that's acidic. And then you're putting it on the barbecue at 400. That's a recipe. The other thing is I see people marinating.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
in aluminum foil because it's convenient um okay so now there's the acid and the salt and it's encouraging the leaching of aluminum and now it's mixing into your food so i would recommend marinating in glass containers and then if you absolutely must use aluminum and I know it's convenient. Use it for the least amount of contact time, right? So you've marinated it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
You only need to cook it now for let's say five minutes, put it on, cook it and then remove it immediately. But better still, you can use bleached parchment paper Or just use a pen and wash it, you know, like use a stainless steel tray. And I know it gets messy, but if you spray with, you know, a non-toxic cleaning agent and let it sit, it does come off.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
That's an F. Yeah, I actually don't have it in my home.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. You know, it's debatable, right? Some people say it's been linked to Alzheimer's because they've found an increased amount of aluminum in the brains of people with Alzheimer's. We don't know if that's a causative or an association. So that's up for debate because for every study that shows an association, there's a study that shows there's no association.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But regardless, there's a study that showed that if you use aluminum cookware in your home, you're walking around with increased amount of aluminum in your blood. And when they took the blood sample out and analyzed it, the cells, the blood cells actually showed increased oxidative stress. So oxidative stress is like rust in the body.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It actually causes DNA damage and cell damage, and it can trigger cell death. It's not what you want in your body. It causes inflammation, which is kind of like the root cause of chronic conditions.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So you want to heat your stainless steel at a medium heat for like a couple minutes, and then you add your oil, and then you should be able to cook your egg.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So on a mechanistic level, if you're looking at that particular study, you know, separating out the blood from people who use aluminum, showing the increased amount of oxidative damage, that's kind of basis for me to avoid it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, it's actually, I mean, I like, I love that people are talking about it more. But yeah, you're right. Eight years ago, when I first mentioned obesogens, a group of MDs online actually clubbed together, shared my post and said, report this person because she's spreading misinformation. Now, I took the information from NIH website. So
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
They, through their kind of, how shall I put it in a nice way, lack of awareness or, you know, doctors are too busy to read papers, right? They're really too busy looking after patients to read the most up-to-date science. But because they are not aware of the science, they're pulling information. We're talking about misinformation, which is a disservice to the public.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And we know, studies have shown, that it takes 17 years for what's been shown in research to translate into clinical practice. That's how long it takes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So we need people like you at the forefront, pioneering and sharing and leading the way to share information that's important that people can start using today to start protecting themselves, rather than waiting for it to translate to the MDs to say that 17 years later, hey, plastic is bad news. Too late.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It would be a B for me because it's still lined with silicone.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. Paper is not automatically shiny and slippery. Sure. So the silicone at heat, could it be a concern for siloxane? Possibly. We don't know. We don't have very much research in that area.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, exactly. But an A or an S would be a stainless steel.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Hmm. Okay. So I would put that as an A for storing cold food.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But I would not use those near heat. Okay, great.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, I don't know if I would put something acidic in there. I have not seen studies on acidity and silicone, I have to say. I need to look that up. But let's say, you know, you have bananas that you want to freeze. That's fine. I would use that. So you have soup that you've made that's cooled down that you want to put into those super containers. Those are silicone containers too for freezing.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I'm fine with that too. But I don't like those silicone baking mats. Or the silicone utensils where you're like, you know, eating it and cooking with it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Stainless steel, I would put as A. Okay, great.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
It's plastic though, right? So I would never put plastic with heat.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Flamethron, which is a neurotoxin and toxic to the thyroid.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So silicone have not been shown to release flame retardant, but there's that, you know, silicone at heat could release siloxane. And, you know, there's kind of debates around whether that's harmful. Some people say, yes, it is. Some people say, no, it's not. So again, I take a precautionary approach. Do I have a better option that's not outrageously expensive? Yes. Wood.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
I prefer wood because wood is naturally antimicrobial. So people think plastic with those sprayed on microband, which is antimicrobial, is better. Microband actually contains endocrine disruptors. I don't want that. Wood is naturally antimicrobial as long as you look after it.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So if you don't let it dry, if it's wet and then you put it somewhere and it starts to grow bacteria and mold, that's not good, right? But if you let it dry properly, it's actually naturally antimicrobial. So I like a solid wood piece. So You get some wood cookware or cutting boards where it's glued together.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So they get many pieces and then, you know, that potentially could expose you to formaldehyde because of the glue. VOCs. So a solid piece of wood is best.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yep. So any acidic food will leach iron from your cast iron pan. So if you already have a high blood iron level, let's say you have a condition called hemochromatosis, then you actually want to avoid cooking in cast iron because iron can actually go into your food. And you definitely want to avoid cooking acidic food in cast iron.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
100%.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, 100%. So I have cleaners who come and help me clean my house. And when I gifted them non-toxic cleaners to use to clean other houses with. And she came back to me two weeks later and said, my nasal congestion is gone. Wow. So the whole time she didn't realize that the cleaning solution she was using was the cause of this chronic post-nasal drip, nasal congestion.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
yeah so one step like you said can make a big difference and i think we should focus on doing one thing at a time and celebrate those wins and then when your time and resources allow then you move on to the next thing yeah that's well said another thing that's out there that is also a good solution is there's a lot of these stainless steel containers that and i think you've recommended them before in fact people who traditionally use plastic wrap which i believe we have
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
You know, the study that recently came out about the plastic in our brain. Yeah. The microplastic.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Remind me and our audience. So I think maybe like a month ago, there was a study that showed that we have about a spoonful of microplastic in the brain. So they looked at, they took brain biopsies from... people at post-mortem in 2016 and 2022.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And they showed that every single sample had microplastic and the most common type of plastic microplastic found was polyethylene, which is that type of plastic. So we are exposed to that very frequently for it to be entering our bodies, being absorbed, pass through our bloodstream and get into the brain.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Not only that, the acidity of the food actually can erode away that nice seasoning that's actually making your cast iron nonstick. So I actually mainly just kind of pan fry and do my What I would normally do in a nonstick pan in my cast iron, if I want to make a stew with tomato sauce or anything like that, I actually use my stainless steel.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
He mentioned it. Right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Who knows what's going on with those individuals. So this most recent study showed the amount of plastic went up 50% just in that short five years. So between 2016 and 2022. Oh my gosh. Why did they think that happened? What was going on? Well, just the sheer amount of plastic we're being exposed to, right?
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So plastic, the problem with it is that it breaks down in the environment and it doesn't really go anywhere. It just kind of comes back into us and we're pumping more and more into the environment every single year. So it just all adds up.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, absolutely. And is there any buying recommendations? And where would you rank it? Well, for stainless steel, you want to look for food grade. So that's 1810 or 1808. So 18 slash 10 or 18 slash 8. So those are more resistant to breakdown, rusting, and it just lasts longer, better quality. Got it. But if you can get those, then yeah, that will be either an A or an S. Okay, great.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
We'll put it as an A. Yeah.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right, right, right. Yes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Oh, yes.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Okay. Yeah, that's actually one of the most important things when it comes to detoxing. And people often go jump straight to liver. They want to supplement their liver or liver cleanse or whatever it is. Well, the liver, when it breaks down these toxins, sends it to the gut for the gut to eliminate. It's one of the primary ways we actually eliminate microplastic. We poop it out.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
We poop out broken down or inactivated hormones, estrogen. So if you're not pooping, you can actually have recirculating estrogen. And now you have, I know the term estrogen dominant is not officially a medical term, but you can have these symptoms where you're kind of more puffy and gain weight, symptoms of excess estrogen.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Um, and then, you know, the toxins that the liver has broken down now also gets recirculated. So you're not actually ever getting rid of these toxins. You're not detoxifying if you're not pooping every single day and you got to be pooping proper poops. So if we can get graphic here, so I don't know if anybody checks that poop. Probably not many people do. Only doctors do this.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Let me bring it up while you talk. Keep talking. Yeah. So if once you've... done your business, look back in the toilet pan. What does your poop actually look like? Is it a long S-shaped sausage? That would be the optimal ideal poop. Now, if you are, yeah, there you go. So type four.
Dhru Purohit Show
Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yes. So you want that every single day.
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And you want to, you know, once or twice a day is good. But some people are not pooping every day. They're pooping once a week, even. Right. That's you're retaining all those toxins. So any of the other types, there's something not quite right. Right. So types one to three, you're kind of leaning on the constipated side. And then five to seven, you're more diarrhea.
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Yeah. What are those things? Well, number one, make sure you're hydrated. So if you're not hydrated, you will more likely to be constipated. Is there a rule of thumb, some guidance around that? Yeah, so unless you have chronic heart failure or kidney disease, you should be looking for your body weight in pounds in ounces of water. So that's what I aim for.
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Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. I'm a big fan of yours. And this sounds so fun. So cookware is like something I use every single day, multiple times a day. And hopefully a lot of people are cooking at home. So, you know, that's really healthy to cook at home. But what you cook in can determine whether you're exposed to endocrine disruptors or and forever chemicals.
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Sorry, half of your body weight in pounds, in ounces of water. So if you weigh 120 pounds, you want to be drinking 60 ounces of water a day.
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Yeah. And ideally filtered water, not plastic bottled water.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, well, that's what the average American is getting, right? 95% of Americans are deficient in fiber. They're not meeting their fiber requirements. intake requirement daily, which is around 25 to 30 grams. And if you look at our ancestors who they were likely eating around 100 grams a day. So that's a vast difference of fiber intake.
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Now, if you can't really go from 12 to 30 in a day because you are going to get bloated, you're going to get uncomfortable. So and a lot of people have dysbiosis, right? So unhealthy bacteria in the gut. Again, secondary to a lot of these toxins we're talking about. So that requires more gentle increase of fiber. So you want to, you know, increase by five grams a day, see how you do.
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And then if you get bloated, you stop and just get have your body accustomed to it. So. I liken it to like going to the gym. So if you never go to the gym, you never lift weights. You don't go into the gym and suddenly lift 100 pounds. You go in with five and then 10. So you want to do that with fiber. But fiber 100% is essential for detoxing.
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it actually binds onto toxins and help us remove toxins and studies have shown in healthy adults those who eat more plants they have lower levels of heavy metals like lead and cadmium that's great that's a great reminder for everybody i've heard another rule of thumb
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That's about right.
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Yeah. Because then that would put you to about 30.
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I love this question. So endocrine disruptors are a group of chemicals that can interfere and mess with our own hormones. The hormones are these kind of messengers in our bodies. They go from the brain to the organs like sex organs and tell it what to do. So think of things like thyroid as a hormone, insulin as a hormone, sex hormones like estrogen, testosterone.
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fruits and vegetables for sure. But my favorites, raspberries, very, very high in prebiotics and probably I would say highest fiber of the berries. But berries in general are amazing. They actually help our mitochondria as well. So because they're so antioxidant rich. And if you think about the fact that
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A lot of these environmental toxins are targeting and damaging our mitochondria and that's how they're exerting the harm, right? So our sex hormones are made in the mitochondria. And when the mitochondria doesn't have energy, now we have brain fog and have all these symptoms. We can't detox it properly. It's so important to eat these things to support the mitochondria.
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It's part of the way to protect us from these microplastics and endocrine disruptors. Kiwis are my favorite too. So two kiwis a day have been shown to help people with constipation and relieve the discomfort of constipation. So you don't have to eat prunes if you don't like prunes. Kiwis are great.
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S plus.
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Exercise has been shown in studies to reduce the risk of 10 plus different types of cancer. It's good for our immune system. It boosts the glutathione, the master antioxidant and detoxifier in our bodies. It pumps our lymph around. So the lymphatic system, it's kind of part of our detox pathways. They
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it's the you know it's kind of the conduit that carries waste material between our tissues to the detox organs and pump things around but unlike the circulatory system the lymphatic system doesn't have a pump so unless you're moving your lymphatic is sluggish and a lot of people have this issue so they're you know puffy is one of the signs of lymphatic sluggishness um so like the the
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fluid that sits around your cells are not moving. So the waste material literally surrounding, it's like not taking the garbage out and the garbage is literally, you know, filling up your kitchen and overflowing. So exercise is great for getting our lymphatics going. It's great for brain health. It's great for metabolic health.
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So endocrine disruptors can interfere with these hormones. And what we see as a downstream effect of that are things like fertility issues, insulin resistance, prediabetes, diabetes, weight gain. and lots of other conditions. So it's a big problem and it really affects us quite ubiquitously across the board. So pregnant women who are exposed could be passing these onto their unborn children.
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There's, I don't, I cannot think of a system in the body exercise doesn't benefit.
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Yeah, exactly. We have control over what we do to ourselves, right? It can be upsetting. And I don't want anyone to feel hopeless listening to this. Yes, all these things, you know, plastic in the environment that has to come from the government and regulation level. But we can do things to protect ourselves. And that's really important to remember.
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So I actually swapped from reverse osmosis to a different system. And I do agree, RO is probably the most kind of effective. If you don't know what's in your water and you just want one that's going to hit everything, then yeah, get an RO. But my approach, because I live in California and water is so precious, a typical RO wastes a lot of water, right?
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For every one liter of water you get from your filter, you're wasting four or five liters of water. That's a big amount of water wasted. So I actually looked up what's in my tap water. And I found a filter that was shown by NSF testing to remove that contaminant. And it's not an RO.
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And the advantage to that is now I don't need to add minerals back into my water because when I did use an RO, it's so effective, it would strip the water of the helpful minerals that you want. So I used to add minerals back in, but now I don't have to.
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Yeah, no, I think that's a great question. You should be getting most of your minerals from your food, right? If you're eating a variety of veggies and fruits, you should be hitting that mineral goal. But there is this idea that minerals help you absorb the water right into the body. So there's probably some truth in that. Do you absolutely have to add minerals back into your water?
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Probably not if you're eating a very plant rich diet and you're hitting the goals there. But most people are not. So they are relying. Yeah.
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And if the unborn children are exposed during these critical windows, it can actually switch on and off genes that determine the propensity towards obesity later on. So their kind of propensity to weight gain later on in life. So it's really important and kind of critical if you're in that preconception pregnant phase.
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So let's go to the liver. That's kind of the biggest detox organ in our bodies. And the liver has phase one and two detoxification. Both of those phases require a lot of energy. So the currency of energy in our body is ATP. again, produced by the mitochondria. So if your mitochondria are not working optimally, your liver can't detoxify.
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So some of the things we talked about to help with mitochondria can help with liver detoxification. But there are foods that you can eat that will optimize the liver detoxification enzymes. So one of my favorites is the cruciferous family of vegetables. So that's your broccoli, your bok choy, cabbage, and my most favorite is broccoli sprout.
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Yeah. So broccoli sprouts actually have two to 50 times more sulforaphane than grown broccoli by pound. So it's super concentrated source of sulforaphane. What sulforaphane does is it switches on the liver detoxification enzymes. It also switches on antioxidant pathways in the body. So it does so many things.
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It's kind of like this master switch that switches on all these healthy things in your body to combat the stresses in our environment. So I think sulforaphane is really, really important. It's been shown to help with BPA detoxification, for example, and that comes from plastic. We don't know at this point what helps with microplastic detoxification yet.
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because the research is still in infancy, but definitely it comes out in the poop. So make sure, again, going back to the poop, make sure you're pooping properly.
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I actually try to aim for at least two servings of cruciferous every day.
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Great question. Broccoli, I like to eat. So a key or a trick to getting more out of your broccoli is to cut it first, leave it for 15 minutes for the sulforaphane to form before you cook it. So because the sulforaphane is kind of, there's a process to get there and the enzyme to get there gets destroyed by heat.
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So if you cook it too early, you're actually not getting the most sulforaphane out of your broccoli. So I would saute my broccoli or I steam it. I would have, you know, a serving of that, let's say, and then I'll throw my broccoli sprouts into a smoothie because I don't mind the taste of broccoli sprouts, but my kids are not a fan, unfortunately. So I kind of hide it in a smoothie.
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So if I put, you know, a date and then, you know, raspberries and pineapple, they can't really taste it. Yeah. And actually the blending action helps to release that sulforaphane as well.
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But in children too, it can affect their new nervous system development, brain development, their immune system has been linked to allergies and eczema, asthma, those kind of conditions. So across the board, we're all affected and we all should be paying attention. Now, the commonest source of that group of chemicals that we are exposed to every single day is going to be in the kitchen again.
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Yeah, I think so. There is one researcher who says, It should not be something you take every day. Okay, interesting. Yeah, he says that you could tip the system too much the other way, like too much. If you consume it in food form, the body kind of recognizes it and contain the level and modulate the level. Whereas if you hyper dose, it may not, you know, on a daily basis.
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So maybe you take it for two days a week, three days a week, and you give your body a break. So, you know, the body kind of adjusts and not modulates by itself. I have not dug into the research of what he said. It's just, I think he's a Harvard researcher.
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Oh yeah. From Johns Hopkins.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I usually do it in food form. But when I travel, I do take supplements.
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Yeah. So we know studies have shown that sweat contains some of these endocrine disruptors, right? Like phthalates. EPA flame retardants, and even heavy metals. So we are getting rid of them through our skin in the form of sweat. And sauna helps us sweat. So I think that that's one aspect of it.
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The other aspect is that when you are heating up your core body temperature, now that is a stressor for your mitochondria, just like exercise is a stressor, a healthy stressor for your mitochondria to make it work better. Um, so when you go into sauna, you're putting heat stress into the body. Now the body releases beneficial compounds like BDNF. So that's a compound that stimulates brain growth.
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And so there's been studies that show that, you know, sauna can have cardiovascular lung and brain healthy effects.
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Yeah. We don't know if microplastic can get through the skin. I have not seen a study on that, but I would guess nanoplastic definitely can.
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So I personally have an infrared sauna at home, but that doesn't mean that that's what I recommend. It's just that I don't have space for a traditional Finnish sauna. Almost all the studies are done using Finnish saunas, so they get up to a much higher temperature. My one only kind of goes up to about 150 degrees. But it's more comfortable for me. So my kids, my kids are 14 and 16.
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They go in the sauna too. I put them in the sauna. They don't have a choice.
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Oh, no, it's a reward where they get to watch their favorite show in the sauna. Oh, that's great. That's great. But yeah, like they don't like the traditional finish. It's too hot. A little too hot. Yeah. Yeah. So they don't mind the infrared so much. Yeah. Yeah.
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So I would say plastic is the number one. kind of source of these endocrine disruptors for us. Plastic, we use about 10,000 different chemicals to make plastic. Two thirds of these chemicals have never been tested for safety. And 2,000 we know are potentially harmful. And I would say plastic is the source of some of the most toxic endocrine disruptors like BPA, phthalate.
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Oh, you sweat. Yeah. It heats up your core body temperature in a different way, right? So that light is actually directly agitating and causing heating of your core body temperature rather than from, is it conduction? Conduction from the heat of the air around you, which is the traditional Finnish version.
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Yeah, well, red light. I never thought I would create a product in red light therapy until there was a need to do it. So my dad was bedridden with severe back pain and hip pain a few years back. And he was misdiagnosed.
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He actually had a condition, a muscular condition called piriformis syndrome, but he was misdiagnosed as sciatica and put on the wrong treatment and just escalating doses of opioids. And I was worried he was going to get addicted. And plus he was laying in bed for weeks on end. wasting muscle. So I flew home.
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At the time, I had a little red light therapy device that I was using for skin rejuvenation for wrinkles and fine lines because I had started seeing studies on it. But for skin rejuvenation, the light intensity is very low. So when I gave him the device to use, because I also read studies that red light could reduce inflammation and help with pain and healing.
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He at first didn't see any effect, but then he used it for two hours a day and he started to get pain relief. So he started to use it consistently every day. And after two weeks, he was up and walking. Now, of course, I did other things. I put him on an anti-inflammatory diet, lots of turmeric and anti-inflammatory supplements too.
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So it's not just, you know, I'm not saying red light therapy is a miracle, but it was a very big part of his healing. Now, when I got home, I thought, well, nobody has two hours a day to do red light therapy. Only my dad, a retired person has. I need a light that's portable with high irradiance so that it would work to penetrate into deep tissue when you need it.
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And then you can move it further away to get that low irradiance for skin rejuvenation. And I couldn't find one. So most of the portable devices are very low in irradiance. And so I created one. And the other thing I was looking for is third-party testing. So just like a supplement, you need the right dose of light to get the effect you want.
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So if you look at the 2000 published studies on photobiomodulation, which is red light therapy, you'll see that the dose for skin is around 10 joules, so very little light. But the dose that you need for muscles and joints is much higher, like 50 to 100. For brain health, it's also very high. So
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Instead of spending $300 on something for your skin and then another $300 for your joints and hips and then another $300 for your hair, why not create a high irradiance device that you can just adjust the distance and then you can get all the benefits? So that's what I wanted to create. And I wanted to third-party test it so that I know exactly the irradiance you'd be getting at each distance.
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So I tested it at one centimeter away and then 15 centimeters away. So I knew exactly what I was getting. And, you know, I was really blown away by the response because I feel like most people who had tried red light therapy before they tried Lumbar, they couldn't see any effect. That's because they were using a dose that was not right for the purpose, right? But when you use
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the right irradiance, you can get the result that you want.
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It's definitely an S. Okay, great. We're going to put it as an S. Actually, when we talked about red light therapy, I forgot to mention how it works. Oh, yeah. Talk to us about that. red light actually can pass through, penetrates through your skin to reach the mitochondria. We've been talking about mitochondria this whole time, right?
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As where the environment's toxins are attacking and exerting the harmful effects. So red light is kind of like an antidote to that because if phthalates and BPA from plastic have been shown to minimize energy production from your mitochondria, well, now if you shine red light, Red light actually can activate the mitochondria through an enzyme called cytochrome C oxidase.
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BPA phthalates have been shown in studies to affect fat cells. So they can make fat cells retain more fat, grow bigger, and they can even turn stem cells. So stem cells are cells that are not kind of specific tissues. They can turn stem cells into fat cells. So they make us gain weight, retain more fat. They've been linked to insulin resistance.
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And when that enzyme is activated, you produce more energy. You also can increase blood flow by nitric oxide. And I know I listened to your show recently. about nitric oxide, which I found fascinating. And I agree. I feel like nitric oxide and increasing that blood flow is so important for delivery of nutrients to the tissue and removal of waste products and things like that.
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So that's how red light therapy works. It kind of, it's kind of like that morning cup of coffee for yourselves. It just wakes it up and make it work better.
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Yeah, that's a great hack. I love putting near infrared at the back of my neck before bedtime. That just totally relaxes me and sends me to sleep. And in fact, there's a study... on basketball players and red light therapy right before bed for them improved their sleep.
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Yeah. And can we, so I want to talk about melatonin a little bit because, so we know melatonin mainly as a sleep hormone, right? That's secreted from the pineal gland. It helps us sleep, but actually it's a really powerful antioxidant. So during COVID, people were finding that people with higher levels of melatonin were protected because it was a mitochondrial antioxidant. Now, there's
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Melatonin is released from your pineal gland that's regulated by life through your eyes. So when you wake up and you go outside first thing in the morning and you get exposed to sunlight, that melatonin shuts off and that's a signal for your brain like, okay, now you should produce melatonin 12 hours later. So that kind of sets your circadian rhythm for that day.
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But red light, especially infrared light, has been shown to make your mitochondria produce melatonin inside the cell. And that is, again, another kind of protective mechanism for the mitochondria to fight that oxidative damage we talked about from all these environmental toxins. So there's actually two different melatonin mechanisms, which I never learned at medical school.
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And I never knew melatonin was such a powerful antioxidant and protective mechanism.
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Right. Yeah. But my question mark with that was I never knew whether the melatonin would get inside a cell where it needed to work to protect that mitochondria.
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It's kind of produced locally and right then and then. But I think that kind of gets us on to the next topic, which is the next tip that we should be doing at home, which is sleep.
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Sleep is one of those things I think that's just so underrated because it's passive, right? You're not doing anything. And people are saying, well, is it that easy? Just go to sleep and you get all these benefits. Well, one of the biggest detox times of your day is actually during sleep because we now know that during sleep, especially deep sleep,
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And the way they do that is by damaging our mitochondria.
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The glymphatic system in your brain, so that's the lymphatic system in the brain, actually drains more during sleep. So the pathways open up and the lymph actually drains from the brain during sleep. And that's actually a really important way to get rid of the waste material that the brain accumulates during the day. And if you're not sleeping enough, that stuff is not coming out.
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For sure. Yeah. I mean, estrogen plays an important part in sleep. It can actually impact your melatonin levels. So when the estrogen levels decline, your sleep can also go with it. So a lot of people find that they can't fall asleep or they wake up and actually waking up in a small hours of the night is sometimes due to blood sugar dysregulation.
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So when your blood sugar plummets and you start to go hypo, the body wakes you up so that you go and eat and you don't die from hypoglycemia. So that's That reactive hypoglycemia is actually usually the first sign of insulin resistance and prediabetes. And so if you're somebody who wakes up in the middle of the night and you're kind of semi-hungry, like check your blood glucose and see.
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Yeah. So there's a lot of lifestyle things you can do, right? And I'm not against hormone therapy. I feel like menopause hormone therapy has been kind of put into that demonized basket because of the study that came out about, you know, increased risk of breast cancer and heart disease, which we now know is not representative of most women, right? So that
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study was mainly done on much older women who normally are not on menopausal hormone therapy, right? You normally want to start women in their late 40s or 50s The research is now showing that if you start women like within that 10 year, the first 10 years of them, the estrogen declining, that's kind of the most beneficial. And that's also the time they're least likely to have the side effects.
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Stress reduction. So I was going to talk about meditation, which everybody kind of rolls their eyes and starts... walking away or falling asleep when I talk about it, because again, it feels like I'm not doing anything.
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Like I feel like a lot of people want to be, you know, doing something to get the rewards, but sometimes not doing anything and going within and calming your nervous system down can be more beneficial than active doing. Right. So I feel like in especially in the modern world that we live in, we're bombarded with stress from stress, from social media, financial stress, news.
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We are literally the nervous system is on high alert all the time. And it's as if we're facing a saber tooth tiger every single day. And our body doesn't know the difference between mental stress and if it's the stress is real, like we're facing a saber tooth tiger and we really need to run away.
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Or if it's, you know, social media and where, you know, somebody's attacking us or criticizing us or, you know, we're arguing with somebody. So that continued stress. actually can lower the... Stress basically puts things the body doesn't think is important onto the backbone. So it will ramp down detoxification. It will ramp down fertility.
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So stress has a direct impact on thyroid hormone as well, for example. Why are women so disproportionately affected with thyroid condition? Of course, there's so many different factors, but women also are carers. They have to work. They provide for the family. They have to look after children. There's so many stresses in their lives that the thyroid is often a place that takes a hit.
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And I feel like stress, I mean, there's studies that show that if you're stressed, you're more likely to have the vasomotor symptoms of menopause. So, you know, the hot flashes and things like that. So if you can really kind of regulate your nervous system, right, and that's like the master conductor of our entire body is our brain.
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And if the brain is constantly telling the rest of the body, you are going to die, run away now, escape, you've got to run away, the body doesn't know what to do, right? It's confused. It's kind of like, oh, I've got to ramp up blood sugar to help you run away. So now you're more likely to run high blood sugar all the time. We know that cortisol, for example, can pump up your blood sugar, right?
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So that's the stress hormone. So really kind of taking time. So this is my everyday non-negotiable. I have to meditate.
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Yeah. So I usually try to do transcendental. The goal is 20 minutes, but I don't always hit that. And I like to do it with my red light therapy. I feel like that really gets me into a very kind of calm state where I can get into meditation much easier. If I don't have time, it's a minimum five minutes where I sit there and I just kind of say a mantra over and over.
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So Teflon was very popular, right? Because everybody loves to cook the eggs on it. It slides right off. It's easy to clean, but it leaches PFAS, these forever chemicals. And these chemicals have been shown in studies to affect our fertility, our immune health. It can cause pregnancy complications. It's been linked to certain cancers like testicular and kidneys.
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yeah have a better night's sleep i think that's such a great point right because i feel like people expect now to be working working working 10 until 10 p.m on their laptop blue light and then boom 10 i'm gonna go to bed and then fall asleep right away that's just not gonna happen it's not gonna happen and you know you're a doctor uh and an entrepreneur
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I would put it, let's say B. A B?
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Because I'll tell you why. The NASA study that showed that plants improved
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indoor air quality they had literally like a hundred plants okay in a very small space so you need a lot of plants you need a lot for meaningful air filtration but i love them anyway because they just they make you feel more relaxed and you know you feel happy with plants around or at least i do anyway um so yeah i think it's it's a great thing just look out for mold
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Yeah, because plants, if you're not looking after them or the soil is waterlogged, often a source of mold in the home.
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Yes.
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Yeah, so we talked about this earlier, right? Paper is not waterproof. So for the parchment paper, they put wax or silicone on top. With these paper cups, they put a lining of plastic inside. So you're not drinking from a paper cup. You're literally drinking from plastic. And, you know, in contact with something hot, right? Those usually have hot drinks in them.
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Heat can increase the leaching and the breakdown of plastic. So now you're really drinking plastic, really, in your drink. And the plastic lid that often goes on top of them too, like people drink through them. I know the contact time is not as much as the cup itself, but there is still some chemicals that's going to leach in to that tea or coffee that you're drinking as you're consuming.
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Yeah, I wouldn't do that every single day. I mean, on the occasion... I always have a reusable cup in my bag.
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Yeah. Yeah. I can show you mine. Yeah.
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Would you put it as an A? Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. Definitely don't put those lids into your dishwasher either. So a lot of people think that that's good because it's disinfecting the lid. Well, the high heat and detergent combination and the length of time it's in that dishwasher at high heat can actually increase the leaching. And they've shown that in studies.
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Yeah.
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Thermal paper receipt, well, that's an F because the BPA on those thermal paper receipts are not bonded to the paper. It comes off very easily, transfers into your skin as you're touching them. And it's even worse if you've just used hand sanitizers that actually increases the penetration of the BPA into your bloodstream through the skin.
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So you don't, if you're going to touch it, don't use hand sanitizers beforehand. And better still, just don't get them. Like, you know, get an e-receipt. I feel like that's really common now. Like I get asked all the time, do you want a receipt? Do you want a receipt? And you actually just say no. And if you must keep a receipt, then try and get like an e-receipt instead.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to steal that idea.
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Well, it's only when IRS asks you like three years later, hey, what did you do that day? Now you have to expose yourself to the BPA. To all the BPA. Yeah. But I think there was a study that showed that cashiers had higher levels of BPA than
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The alternatives, right? The substitutes, like, is it BPF and BPS? Right. Which, so I see now, which I love, a lot of cashiers wearing gloves.
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Yeah.
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Definitely. And if you can't, then regularly wash your hands so you can wash that off and minimize the contact time.
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Oh, absolutely. It's one of the biggest air polluters in the home because paraffin candles when burned actually releases PM 2.5, which are small particles that you breathe in and travel through your bloodstream.
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cause inflammation in the body it's been linked to increased risk of dementia and um you know for pregnant women pregnancy complications so pm 2.5 is is bad news but it can also release something called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons paa so that is actually um a carcinogen some types of PAH. So you really don't want to be breathing that. So paraffin candles are out.
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That's an F, especially if it's artificially fragranced. Again, going back to fragrance, you don't know. Yeah, so you're releasing phthalates and all kinds of VOCs into your air, along with the PAH and the PM2.5. If you must do it, have an air filter in the room. Or open the windows. Right, exactly. Or you can go for soy oil. Coconut, beeswax, those don't tend to generate as much pH.
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Because that's just the nature of combustion. That's combustion. You can't get away with it. So you can get the melts.
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Yeah, that's a great one because... I feel like there's not enough research on here, but I do get a lot of anecdotes from patients and clients who use conventional feminine hygiene products and switch to organic and say, my period cramps have gone, or I don't have the constant irritation, or I don't have my recurrent BV, bacterial vaginosis anymore. Why is that?
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Because a lot of the conventional products have pesticides. So cotton is heavily sprayed. So conventional cotton is going to have pesticides. We have a microbiome in the vagina as well. And that's really important for maintaining vaginal health and preventing infections. When you disrupt that microbiome, now you can be more susceptible to recurrent BV or infections.
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And the conventional products also can contain fragrance, believe it or not. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So people want it to smell good down there for whatever reason. Yeah. So there's fragrance that's going to be endocrine disruptors, literally going into your reproductive organs locally.
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So that makes sense as to why those period cramps can improve, right, when you switch to organic products that don't have these.
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Right, which is another problem. So chlorine is another antimicrobial that's going to disrupt the pH and also the microbiome in your vagina. And a lot of tampons have been found to have dioxin, which is a potent endocrine disruptor that's linked with breast cancer and endometriosis and PCOS.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah. So look for organic.
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And then, you know, you want to look for the unbleached products. There's a brand that I really like called Rail. I'm not affiliated with them, but they're really clean and I like them. But there's so many now on the market too in Target. And it's not much more expensive than conventional. And I feel like it's one switch that's not too costly that is worth making.
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Oh, yes. I'm aware of that study. Yes. The Boba Tea was number one.
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Do you know if it's the boba itself or the drink?
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Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Because, you know, the cups that Boba comes in is plastic. It's polyethylene. Right. So you would assume that it's going to have some from the cup itself. Right.
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Whatever reason. Anyways. Yeah.
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Yeah, I am concerned about that for sure. And my kids are obsessed with it, but we limit it. So it's, you know, they know that it's not like the best thing in the world for them, but... I also have learned being a parent of teenagers is that if you are very strict with them, you almost put that food on a pedestal when they now think it's cool to sneak behind your bags and consume those things.
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Oh yeah.
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You went through that growing up. I went through that.
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Right. So then, so this is what happened, right? Like Growing up in my household, my kids know which ingredients are good. They don't think of it that way, actually. They just think what's nourishing, what's not nourishing. And, you know, there's snack bars. I buy the better ingredient snack bars at home, which they don't like. They like the super high sugary ones.
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And my daughter's high school installed a vending machine, which I didn't know about. Yeah. And all of a sudden, across like the span of a month, she was covered in acne. Oh, wow. And I thought, what just happened? Like, are you very stressed at school? And anyway, the truth eventually came out. She had been...
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consuming like two of those bars a day because she's like you know i can't get it at home i can only get it at school and she was like you know having the time of her life with these bars but she learned her lesson she actually wrote a whole like she she wrote a an e-cookbook and she just added to it and talked about her experience like food really can impact your health this is what happened to me and when she cut that out her skin went back to normal
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Yeah. So that's how powerful it is. And I try to let them learn that hard lesson because I don't feel like preaching helps. My kids are both tennis players. So one of the things that I absolutely can't stand is the Gatorade at the matches. So when I go to matches, like one of the items that are always on the request list is Gatorade. And I'm like, why do we need Gatorade?
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Like they don't need it for hydration. They only need electrolytes and water. If they need, you know, a source of carbohydrate, eat a banana. But, you know, that's a battle that I have with even the parents. The parents actually think Gatorade is good for them because they've been conditioned or marketed to think Gatorade helps them rehydrate and refuel and recover.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So I actually did a little session with the parents. the kids and the parents, which the kids absolutely hated because I was taking away one of their favorite things.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah. Why do we have to? I moved here from the UK and we don't use those same food dyes that are found in American food. So Doritos in the UK, my kids sometimes used to eat at birthday parties. I took them to a birthday party here and they were eating Doritos. I picked up the packet when I first moved here and I was so shocked to see that the ingredients were completely different.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So it's worth doing, even though you get pushed back.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Oh, yeah.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Well, no, I just want to acknowledge you and the work you're doing. I feel like we need pioneers who are pushing the way and leading the way and not scared to show the evidence when they first come out, even though people might strike you and say that's nonsense or it's misinformation. They did to me just to have that courage, right? Because it's so important for people to realize.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And I agree, like health is literally bankrupting the US, right? The amount of money we spend on health related costs and just plastic alone, the Endocrine Society estimated it cost $250 billion in 2018. Wow. In healthcare costs. It's just ridiculous. And we need to raise awareness. Absolutely. So I want to thank you for doing that.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And also doing it in such a way that, you know, is not fear mongering and just panicking everybody. And just sending that message, like doing one thing at a time really can make a difference. Don't, don't think, oh, it's just so overwhelming. Toxins are everywhere. I might as well just not do anything.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
That's, that's not, you know, even if you just do the one thing, like cut down on consumption of canned food, see how much difference that can make. It's a 1200% difference in your BPA levels, right? That's a massive difference from one little action.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, you gotta poop.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Oh, thank you so much. So I am active on Instagram. My handle there is at latefall.health. So that's P-L-A-T-E-F-U-L dot H-E-A-L-T-H. I also have a website, www.platefulhealth.com. And please use Drew's link if you want, if you're interested in a loom box.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
F. F. Yeah. Because they're just marketing gimmicks. Tell us why. Microwave safe just means that the plastic won't melt in the microwave when you heat it up. It doesn't mean it's safe for your health. So we have a study from, I think, two years ago that showed just three minutes of microwaving food in plastic released millions and billions of micro and nanoplastics into the food.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Thank you so much for having me. It's been so fun.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Just three minutes. And I'm not even including things like BPA and phthalate. We're just talking about micro and nanoplastics here. So imagine the toxic soup that's leaching into your food when you're microwaving food in plastic. That's not safe, in my opinion. It just won't melt.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Right. So the first thing is if you use plastic Tupperware, swap them out for glass.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Yeah, because it's contact time, right? If you're minimizing that contact time, you can minimize your exposure. And I love your point about the fact that you can't really avoid it. Even if you're trying to stay healthy, you just cannot avoid it. coming into contact with these endocrine disruptors now because they're everywhere.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And the biggest problem with it is that it sticks around in our bodies. It's called forever chemicals, right? So it's really difficult to get rid of in our environment and in our bodies. So PFAS is actually now found in 45% of U.S. tap water because it lingers around so much. So if we're rating cookware, then, you know, the Teflon, the black, shiny looking nonstick cookware is an F for sure.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
When they test Americans, 90 plus percent of us have BPA, PFAS, phthalates, it's everywhere. And so not to make your listeners depressed, I think it's a really urgent issue that we need to raise and people need to know what they can do to minimize their exposure. not to zero, just minimize.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
And once you minimize that, now your detox organs, the liver, the kidney, sweat glands, they can eliminate these toxins more efficiently because they're not overwhelmed.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
Absolutely. I'll give you an example. So Harvard did a study. They looked at people who consumed just a serving, so 12 ounces of canned soup every single day for five days. They measured the BPA in the urine. just doing that over five days increased the BPA by 1200%.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
But if you then stop eating the soup for two days, the levels fell to almost nothing. So what that means is you can, what you're doing can actually make a very big difference. So if you just reduced your canned soup consumption by two days, you can now bring that BPA level down.
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Integrative Doctor Shares the Dangers of Microwaving Plastic, Eating Canned Foods and Top Sources of Endocrine Disruptors and How Simple Swaps in Our Home Make a Huge Difference with Dr. Vivian Chen
So if you're exposed to BPA from other things that you can't avoid, now your detox organs can get rid of that instead of dealing with a 1200% increase in BPA.