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Dr. Vonda Wright

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So for instance, I live on the East Coast. We're on the West Coast. I have stayed on East Coast time. That happens to me when I come down the way.

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Yes. And then you're not exhausted or jet-lagged. It's a little weird if you have to do business or go out, but... If I'm having a party at my house, I'm like, see yourselves out, guys. You have fun. I'm going to bed. It's 9.30. So for our house, it's 9.30 to 5, like clockwork. Number one.

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Number two, I am not a holder to intermittent fasting, but what I am a holder to is time restricted, meaning fasting. I'm going to eat as early as possible so that by 9.30, everything is out of my digestive system. I'm spending no energy. And that helps us sleep better. Number three, I always say, don't throw rocks at me.

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But in midlife, especially for midlife women, alcohol is a total sleep disruptor. Because when we're young, we think, oh, of course, it makes me sleep better. What it does is it makes us pass out. But if you're tracking your sleep, you'll see that you're not entering into the really deep sleep levels. And this is being talked about a lot lately, except I don't see people adjusting to it.

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I mean, I find that when I work with my longevity patients, they're willing to do almost anything. except give up the glass or two or four of wine at dinner because it's so cultural. It's so almost like a ritual. And people come to believe that they need that to relax when in fact it inhibits their sleep. So timing of sleep. We talked about not eating three hours. We've talked about alcohol.

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And then, you know, something I do, something that's very helpful is I take my magnesium, which is a supplement that I think most people need, especially for bones, at night. I also suggest that women, if they're taking progesterone, take it at night.

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And then all the other lifestyle things, blue glasses, turn off your phones, which I find hard to do personally, but those are all legitimate ways to help regulate. And then as things as silly as if you find you're waking up at 3.37 every morning, like clockwork, you know what the clock is going to say. that may be your blood sugar.

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And I know it's my blood sugar because I often wear a continuous glucose monitor. So if you eat a little bit of protein right before bed, just a titch, not a meal, not enough to disrupt this other advice I've given you, That will make your sugar not dip so low and your liver will not, and your body will not wake you up because your body wakes you up.

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I know because I wear a CGM, when I wake up that way, my blood sugar is 50 or 40 and my body's just trying to save my life.

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Well, fasting blood glucose should be 85 or lower. That is the level that we should all strive for. Not 100, not 110, which many people walk around with in midlife, 85.

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You know, I don't believe there's any research that shows that I can restock 11 years of not sleeping. But my obligation to myself now is to start today. We can reverse the hands of time by the lifestyle we do today. I can become biologically younger. But I don't honestly think that I can get back 11 years of sleep. But if we continue in those habits, we just perpetuate the badness, right?

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I believe that our perception of aging has to do with what we view of the future.

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Well, and this is so pertinent. I lived through it. I have daughters who are having children now. Simple things like children can be scheduled. They will learn to go to bed at a certain time and wake up at a certain time. Not newborn infants, but once they get big enough, about three months, six months, depending how big they are. they can learn a schedule. So let's schedule them.

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They might wake up in the middle of the night. It always happens. But if there's no schedule, children feel a little insecure and will wake up more. So that's number one. Number two, give yourself the grace. I That when your child goes down for a nap, young children less than three years old usually have two naps a day.

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Give yourself the grace that the minute they go to sleep, you don't have to go clean the house or get on email and lay down and sleep too. Just collect sleep, right? And then all the other habits, you know, if you may feel like you need a glass of wine to relax, that's just going to disrupt your sleep more. So those are simple things.

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I think the biggest thing that I just said is young parents, please give yourselves the grace. It's an imperfect time in your life. You can't be in control of everything and your child is not going to break. Children are so resilient. So as an old mother, I'm saying that to the young mothers, there's no perfect way.

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The young parents, there's no perfect way, but have the grace to take the rest, leave the dishes in the sink. Do not think that everything has to be perfect in that really chaotic time in your life.

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Weight is not the measure for me. It's body composition. I never say lose weight. I say we are going to recompose your body.

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I think rituals, which is what you're talking about, you have a ritual of relaxing with wine, a ritual of watching a show. I think rituals in life are actually helpful. The bedtime ritual cannot be stimulating, right?

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That's not going to relax your nervous system, right? So the ritual of slowing down, maybe some rom-com or something non-stressful or something with beautiful music. It's okay to have a ritual of drinking something, but I find hot tea or something soothing... the ritual then will help you train your body to go to sleep. But the ritual can't be stimulating. It's self-defeating. Yeah.

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And I'm sorry, because of streaming, the show will be there tomorrow. It's not like it's the only time you'll have it available. Yeah. It's not like it used to be.

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You know, and I'm not a sleep expert, but I think it changes the way we enter into REM sleep. It changes the depth of us being able to descend into the deeper and at a molecular level, I don't know. But what I do know from having reading enough and watching my own

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I don't want to say brands out loud, but watching my own device, I can see that, and I don't drink anymore actually, but I used to see how I just would never end up in deeper sleep.

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Well, if we sit around and do nothing, then most of us in this country live in relative energy excess, right? It's not that we're in relative energy deficiency, which is its own set of problems, but excess. So with excess and sedentary living, Our body has to get rid of the glucose we consume. So in our bodies, whether we're eating protein or fat or carbohydrates, it's all used for fuel.

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And when we overfuel, it's going to accumulate. So we're going to gain weight as fat. And I want to distinguish that for all of us, that weight... is not the measure for me. It's body composition. Because I once was invited to Fashion Week, and I was a fish out of water. But one of the things I observed is that there were very, very thin women

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who if I put them in a body composition machine, probably had very, very low muscle mass. So it's very possible to look thin, but be mostly fat, which is metabolically unfavorable. So imagine what happens if we're actually visualizing the adipose tissue And, you know, as we age, there is a syndrome called sarco obesity, which means we have too much adipose tissue and too little muscle.

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So if we're in relative energy excess, we're going to accumulate that unhealthy metabolic tissue and not make enough muscle. I'm going to tell you, I mean, I'm a surgeon, right? Our bodies with energy excess, they're like scrambling. The closet's full, the cupboards are full. Where are we going to put this fat? I find it in the shoulder joint, which is not supposed to have that much fat.

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I find it infiltrating muscle as I'm operating because our body is just trying to stick it places because there's just too much of it. That's what happens, especially because many, many jobs now are sedentary jobs. They're brain jobs. They're not laborish jobs. We're actually getting up and using our bodies, which frankly is what we're designed for. We're designed to move.

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So it's kind of against nature to sit around all day, but that's what happens.

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You can totally reverse that. But I hate... The reason I pointed out weight is because... The words we use are, I'm going to lose weight. I never say that. I say, we are going to recompose your body. We are going to build muscle. And in doing so, we will replace muscle with fat. Muscle weighs more than fat per volume.

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And so your weight may not change, but your composition will be vastly different and therefore your metabolism.

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I work mainly with midlife people, 40 to 65. And in midlife people, here's the secret sauce. We are going to lift heavy. We're going to stop doing the youthful 20 reps, 15 reps of a weight. We are going to do for women. My recipe is four reps. Four sets. For men, it can be eight reps, four sets. But what does that mean?

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Of the four compound lifts, a push-pull with the upper body, so bench press, bench pull-ups or some pull, right? That's the upper body compound motions. Meaning, in simple words, that we use multiple muscles across multiple joints. For the leg, it's squats and deadlifts. Four reps, four sets. At least twice a week. Better four if we can fit it in. But I'll take two if we can't do four.

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And then we augment those with supportive lifts. So for a bench press, four reps, four sets. Heavy weights. the supplemental lifts, our biceps, triceps, our cosmetic muscles that we see consistently doing that, number one. Number two, you have to feed that muscle build with protein, right? Everybody's talking about it right now. It's the truth.

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Great research has shown that even, and I don't suggest this, but even a higher protein diet alone will help your body build muscle mass, even without lifting. I don't suggest it, but that's what the data show. Here is something that is the recomposer. So you're lifting, you're feeding, and you're sprinting. And sprinting, I know, right?

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Sprinting does not mean you're running down a track like Usain Bolt. Sprinting is a heart rate function. So I like people to do their cardio really in three ways, but it's layered on. Number one, 80% of the time we're spending in low heart rate based training. This is based on endurance athlete data from Inigo San Martino, who has a lab in my building.

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That's why I use his method, but low heart rate, 80% of the time, twice a week. We sprint, which means we're getting our heart rate up as fast as it can go. Now, I happen to do mine on a treadmill, and I'm running as fast as I can without falling off the back. But you could do it on a rower. You could do it on an elliptical.

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You could do it on one of those alpine machines or on the road running up these hills here. It doesn't matter. But you are leaving nothing in the tank. That is different. than high intensity interval training when you're going at 75 to 85. And that's when a lot of people get hurt and have to come to the orthopedic surgeon because they do that five days a week.

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What I'm asking you to do is do strategic stress as high heart rate as your heart or your cardiologist will let you go twice a week. It is that stimulus coupled with heavy lifting, coupled with feeding, that's going to recompose your body. And I've seen it time and time again.

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It is too intense to truly be restorative, to truly, that the base training, to truly, which is about 60, 65 of your maximum heart rate, to truly be restorative, to truly allow your mitochondria, which are the energy organelles in your body, to become efficient, to use all the food substrates.

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But it is not stressful enough to really stimulate your body, especially for women in midlife who have lost their estrogen by and large, or for men whose testosterone is, you need that kind of stimulus for your body to think, oh my God. I really need to lay on some muscle and change my body composition. And listen, I used to do high intensity interval training every day because I get bored.

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And I'm like, I'm just going to sprint this out. But it wasn't at the top of my heart rate. It was just below it. This is what happens. You do that five days a week. You develop muscle imbalances. You get hurt. You come to your orthopedic surgeon, they say rest, which I actually don't believe in. I believe in active recovery for three weeks.

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Well, your brain gets angry at you because it's used to the daily dopamine hit and And it's just a miserable way to cycle in and out of injury. So this 80-20 method is not only backed up by great scientists, but I've seen it in me. I've seen it in the people I take care of. It is the key to recomposition. So we've got the 80% low heart rate. We've got the 20% sprinting.

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When you've got that down and it's your lifestyle, then what I would love for people to do is work on their VO2 max.

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VO2 max is the absolute measure of your fitness. It's oxygen, how your oxygen is diffusing from your blood to your lungs and your heart's using it, right? VO2 max... unaided, unsupplemented, will decline 10% per decade as we age. We just get less efficient.

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Yes. Our stroke volume, which is how much blood your heart releases per pump, the diffusion across your lungs, it all declines with age. unless you work on it. But why is that important? You're like, oh good, my VO2 max, why is that important? Here's why it's important.

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There is a line called the fragility line, the frailty line, after which you can no longer take care of yourself, which none of us, it's hard to fathom now in midlife or in youth, But many 70, 80, 90-year-olds get to it. And what it means, with a VO2 max less than 18 for the man, less than 16 for the woman, which is the frailty line, you can't take care of yourself.

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You're going to have to move out of this house or move in with your children or, God forbid, move to a nursing home. Because if you can't get up from a chair, you can't take care of yourself. So here's how it goes. I usually give people my example just so the numbers mean something. So when I was 50, the last time I did my VO2 max, and it hurts. So people don't like to do it very often.

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At no point in my life, Will I cross the frailty line? So we got to work on that because you can increase your VO2 max so you never reach that frailty. So how do you do it? It's a different kind of working out. So sprinting, you sprint for 30 seconds and then you completely... recover four times, right? Nothing in between. No weights. You just get off the treadmill and you rest. You recover.

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Your heart rate comes back down. Takes me a couple minutes, two or three minutes. For VO2 max training, it's four minutes, as hard as you can go. So it's slower than your sprint, but it's still full out for four minutes. And then you only recover for four minutes, and then you do it again. Twice. Three times. So it's very stressful, but that's what will build your VO2 max.

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So it seems like a lot to say it all at once, but once you layer it on, you do VO2 max once a week.

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Well, it's specific and mathematical because some brilliant PhD has figured out that this is how you do it. But I think that historically... When we had to hunt our food, not being able to get up out of a chair is a bad thing for hunter-gatherers, right? And so I think we would just get it in our lifestyle. We would be walking all day to forage. We would be stalking something.

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And then we're sprinting to go catch it, right? I think it's the way we lived. And we don't live that way. So now we have to have this formula. Yeah.

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If we do an analogy to a hunter, lioness will stalk their prey for a very long time and then they rush.

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Number one, let's give ourselves some grace that this is the way the human body is. Any person who's had a child is gonna be transformed. And that is just the way it is, right? Don't crucify yourself. That being said, if we're living in a time of excess energy all the time, the way that I've described for you, the high intensity energy

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interval, let's clarify that, the sprint intervals plus the weightlifting is what's going to transform your body. And you may never get rid of that extra little inch, but you'll get rid of most of it. You'll get rid of the back fat. You'll get rid of the heavy hips people don't like. And you will decrease visceral fat, the fat that is inside the smothering your organs will decrease.

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The peripheral fat is that which you can pinch, whether it's on your hips or in your belly, around your belly button. That's not the fat that's going to really kill you. That's the annoying fat. That fat does make a protein called leptin, which is bad for your metabolism. It is bad for your bones.

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But it is the visceral fat, the fat that you can only see on a body composition or an MRI, that literally we've got this apron, right? In our body, under our skin, under there's a layer called fascia. It's white like you would see on a steak. It's an apron of fat over our organs. It's a protective. Well, that gets thicker. And then fat is deposited around our organs.

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And that fat, the visceral fat, is metabolically different than the peripheral that you can pinch. And it's that visceral fat that is what causes chronic inflammation that leads to disease. So... Yes, cosmetically, we want to get rid of the peripheral fat, but metabolically, we got to control the deep visceral fat.

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I'll give you three examples and I'll tell you why. I think soccer players have the best cardiovascular machine because on average, a high level soccer player will run six to 10 miles on the pitch over the course of the 90 minutes at different speeds, right? Maybe they're jogging up the pitch and then they're sprinting, right? So they're getting it all in.

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And usually they're muscular people, but they look more like runners than people who lift weights, even though I know they do, right? So that's one group.

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The other group that I've had the privilege of taking care of that I think get it all in are rugby players. They're running up their pitch. They're sprinting. But they have to be full of muscle. Because if you've seen both male and female rugby players, they are physically lifting each other up as they... If no one's seen rugby, they're not going to know what I'm talking about.

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They lift each other up to catch the ball in the air. That takes tremendous strength, not to mention rocking and, I mean, just the engagement they do.

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Oh, I love rugby so much. They're just penultimate. The other group of athletes that I think are tremendous, both in cardiovascular and muscle, believe it or not, I've taken care of three professional ballet companies, the Pittsburgh, the Atlanta, the Orlando Athletics. Ballet dancers are some of the best athletes I've ever taken care of. And they do it with such grace.

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You would never know how hard it is. But it's aerobic and it's muscular.

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Well, you know, I think at an elite level, all athletes are healthy because do not be fooled by the field athletes, the shot putters, the discus, the javelin. You may think that they're not fit because they're carrying extra body fat, but they are tremendous specimens, right? So body morphology can't predict it. Gosh, I'll get in a lot of trouble for this. I was once the...

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Twice, the head football doctor for Division I schools, Pittsburgh and Georgia State. And linemen are not always the most healthy people. They're strong. They're carrying a lot of extra weight. And that bears out because on average, it's the sad statistics, on average, a professional football lineman, offensive or defensive lineman, they die of metabolic syndrome in their 50s and 60s.

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They turn out not to be that healthy. And so I feel like as a sports medicine community, we need to do better for them. But to answer your question, maybe it's that.

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You know what? I love that you said, okay, because I find a lot of people come to me or maybe you're asking someone in the street, how are you? I'm fine. You know that fine. I think many people, because we're so busy, we're taking care of other people. I'm not blaming them, but we live in this state of fine. We're neither hot nor cold. We're this lukewarm health.

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We're not dying, but we are not truly optimized, right? So if you're exhausted, if you have trouble sleeping, if you don't have enough energy to do the things that you truly believe that you enjoy in life, maybe you're fine. Maybe we should invest some time and actually get some analytics.

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You know, sometimes when I'm bringing people to surgery in the preoperative time, we're asking them questions about their health and do you have this, do you have that? And people will say, I have no health problems. Well, if you've never been checked, if you've never had labs drawn, if you've never been examined, It's not that you have no problems. It's that you don't know.

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So I would answer that question by saying, if you don't have enough energy, if you're dragging at work, if you can't truly enjoy life, if you don't some days feel like a total badass because you're full of energy and strong, and maybe you're fine, but you're not optimized, and let's invest some time and see where you are.

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I believe that our perception of aging has to do with what we view of the future. I have never believed the myth that is pervasive in this country, that aging is an inevitable decline from vitality of youth to frailty. I've never believed that. And there have been so many examples of people in my own life, in the athletes I've taken care of, and even the regular people.

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I don't think there's an ideal length. Some days my weightlifting takes me 30 minutes because I power through it. And sometimes it takes an hour. I think ideally, if we're talking about this cardio 80-20 regimen, it's 45 minutes of base training. And if you're adding sprinting, that usually takes another 15 minutes.

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So weightlifting can take, I don't think you have to be there three hours unless you just want to hang out in the gym. So it doesn't take forever. And it's not about time. It's about what you put in that time.

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Is that true? Do we only have 20 minutes a day? I've been doing this a very long time and And I tease people that you can't out excuse me because I've been practicing 25 years and I've had the privilege of taking care of probably 100,000 people. I have heard all the excuses. And there are some times when you legitimately excuse. do not have time.

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But I would say that is the fraction of the time, not the reality of the time. And to the, I don't have 20 minutes, I ask you to examine how literally, and I'm guilty of this, how long we're scrolling. How long we're washing our dishes? Do you really have to spend three hours every night cleaning your house? Because that's what makes you feel not anxious at the expense of your health.

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So I think you have more than 20 minutes, if that's what you tell me.

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I believe we can change the trajectory of our future by investing in ourselves today. I think that, and I've seen this, not only research, I say I think this, but research has backed this up, that when we invest in our health as a daily basis, whether it's our mobility or our sleep or

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And if you're just beginning a relationship or a friendship or even deep into it, the endorphins that you release from the strategic stress actually increase bonding. So it's like a triple goodness. It's fitness, it's relationship, it's increased bonding at a chemical level.

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When you exercise, our body releases hormones that are endorphins. It's that high you feel. And having that shared experience, or what if you're doing something like rock climbing and it's a little terrifying, and the oxytocin and the bonding chemicals that are released because you're terrified in this experience, those actually bond people. You know, that's why...

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people that go through hard experiences together end up as a band of brothers or a tight-knit group. So that can happen in relationship. So advice out there, if you want to bond with this person, do something frightening with them.

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or our nutrition, or a variety of relationships we have that we don't have to go down this slippery slope to frailty in which many people in our country die for 20 years, Jay, between 60 and 80. It's just three doctor's visits a week. I believe that we can be healthy, vital, active, joyful, and hopefully die peacefully in our sleep. But that takes intention.

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You know what? I'm so glad you came back to that because we think of bones as just like the strong, silent type hanging out. Yeah. Holding up our muscles.

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Don't pay attention to our bones. But the fact of the matter is that without bones, muscle, which we're all enamored with right now, it's just a quivering pile of metabolic tissue. The structure of you. The fact that people recognize you, it's because your bones are holding up your soft tissue, right? And I love to, bear with me, I like to think about the importance of bones as even culturally.

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I mean, Halloween in this country, you view bones as this scary death object, but bones are living. They replace every 10 years. They are the source of all the minerals that your body needs. They are the housing of our internal organs. They are where our immune system is made. Our hematopoietic system is made in our bones.

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Our bones are master communicators releasing many proteins, including one called osteocalcin. Osteocalcin from the bones can go to the brain. and cause release of brain neurotrophic factor which builds neurons. It can go to the pancreas and the muscles and help you with sugar levels. And for men, it goes to the testicles and helps produce testosterone.

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So just when we think bones are kind of boring, bones are amazing. But even culturally, many cultures Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, many Eastern cultures talk about the reanimation of bones. Bones are thought to house the soul in some cultures. And so it's only here that we're like, oh, skeletons. And you know what? When we die, everything goes away except the bones.

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It's the last record of ourselves, right? Mm-hmm. So how do we build better bones? And that's why we need better bones, right? Yeah, that just clicked for me. All those reasons are why, but how? How we build better bones. Let's talk nutritionally. Bones are 50% protein. It goes back to the same principles. We're not adding on more principles.

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We're just, can we please pay attention to eating protein? Can we eat a non-inflammatory diet so we're not eating seed oils and fried foods and those things that make us hot red fire inside? Can we please make sure we're getting enough vitamin D? Even in sunny places, we slather ourselves, we stay inside, we need vitamin D, we need magnesium.

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A lot of trace minerals like selenium and boron and zinc. We get those in our food. If you really want to be conscientious, you eat six prunes a day. But nutritionally, that's how we take care of our bones. Our bones must have impact. One of the early studies I did on active aging asked the question, can we maintain our bone density? And if we can, what does it take?

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And I studied master's athletes, 40 and over, and I found that number one, yes, we can maintain our bone density into our 80s. How do we do it? Impact exercise. So I add to every regimen that I've already told you most of it, right? The lifting, the aerobic, the nutrition.

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I add to every regimen a jumping practice, whether it's box jumping for impact, whether it's jumping up and down 20 times a day, whether it's 10 minutes three times a week where we're jumping over little hurdles or in a plastic hexagon. It is the impact exercise. Because this is how bones work.

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There's a law called Wolf's Law that just summarizes that the mechanical stimulation, biomechanical stimulation, is translated by our little bone cells, osteocytes, into biochemical messages. Biomechanical stimuli, like jumping up and down, is translated into biochemical stimulus that tells the bone building cells, which are the osteoblasts, to build more bone.

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That takes purposeful activity every day. Because time will take over if we just let physics take over.

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So literally, get out the jump rope, jump up and down, run up and down the stairs. And it has to be a little impactful. Literally, you gotta bash your bones a little bit. That's how you build better bones.

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I prefer functional with free weights and barbells because it requires then you work all of your muscles and it requires neuromuscular pathways to keep you upright, right? It requires balance versus a machine, you're sitting there on a leg press and frankly, We need to work our muscles in the way that our body works our muscles.

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And there is no time in the history of people that your quadriceps are working sitting on a leg press. They're always squatting, right?

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You know, even bench press, think about it. I've been traveling a lot lately. I need to lift a 50-pound suitcase above my head into the bin without falling over or hitting somebody with it.

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And so you practice that with bench pressing and overhead lifts.

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You know, loss of cognitive function is multifactorial. Dementia is different than pure Alzheimer's with the plaques that accumulate. But we know for sure, and there's just so much research, that we can... maintain our brain with the physical activity we do. I mean, for instance, I talked about the role of bone releasing osteocalcin, which goes to the brain.

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There is another protein that is stimulated to be, it's called transcribed when DNA makes a protein. When skeletal muscle contracts, it also causes the transcription of a protein called clotho, which is the longevity protein. Part of clotho's role is to go to the brain and stimulate neuron development.

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So there are studies out of the University of Pittsburgh that showed a six-week walking program will grow the hippocampus, which is the memory part of the brain, in double digits. Wow. You know, I don't know the mechanism that's worked out, but I think at a very basic level, I mean, we'll go back to the hunting analogy, that kind of strategic stress on the body tells our body

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That we're still living. We're not curled up in a ball in some cave waiting on winter to die. We are active. We have enough strategic stress that we have to maintain. Because our body is so highly conserved that if our body doesn't think we're using something, we'll lose it. It will start resorbing like bone. If I put a cast on your leg, you will resorb the bone in your leg.

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Yeah. So I think the brain is the same way. back to what maintains a brain. Well, muscle releases a protein that maintains the brain. Bone releases a protein that maintains the brain, right? fascinating. Isn't that fascinating?

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Food has a role. But when we think of midlife, we have to start talking about hormones. And the work of Lisa Moscone, who is at Cornell in New York, has shown that in women, and probably in men, but her work is in women, the brain is covered in estrogen receptors. So... As we lose our estrogen, it affects the brain.

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That's why when I was going through perimenopause, there was a short period of time when I wasn't on hormones yet. I'm in surgery, and I know that I want the thing that does this, but I could not remember that it was called an Atzen. Think how frightening that is for a brain person like me. I use my brain to help people make a living. That was my estrogen receptors being totally empty.

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But once I replaced my estrogen, my brain is a black box again. Isn't that frightening? So I think it's multifactorial when we lose it. But I also think that all the lifestyle things we've talked about have proven out in studies to be able to make a real impact on our cognitive function.

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Too late or harder to reverse. I also find in myself and the people I care for, That we become a little addicted to our data, which is a good thing, right? I become a little competitive with myself when I'm wearing my glucose monitor. Can I keep my glucose at 80 or below versus, oh, it shoots up to 100 and something because I've eaten something disastrous. And I don't want that, right?

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So you can't change what you don't know. So I think data is amazing for that.

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And I wore it for a year because I was just so fascinated. I know exactly when my blood sugar is going to rise by what I do. My blood sugar rises in surgery because it's stressful. Of course. I am so sensitive to carbs. I try to eat only fibrous carbs, complex carbs, but even that I'm very sensitive to. And I literally am a little crazed about it. I never want to spike.

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Although spiking and recovering is normal. I just don't like how I feel when I'm like this. So I like to be like this, but I'm very sensitive to carbs. So I eat mostly protein, green leafy vegetables. I personally, because of my sensitivity, don't eat a lot of fruit because it's nature's sugar. For some people, it wouldn't matter for them.

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So that's how I know that in the middle of the night, if I wake up, my blood sugar is 50 and I needed to supplement a little bit so I don't drop that low. I want to say something now about, because I definitely want to talk about this, is sometimes people... will find, oh, their blood sugar's, oh, it's 100, it's 110, it's fine.

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Or their doctors may say to them, oh, you know what, you're a little borderline, you're 110, just do better. That is not warning enough in my mind. Because you had asked me earlier, what do I want my blood sugar to be? I want it to be 85 or below.

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Because studies have shown that for every point above 85 that your fasting blood sugar is consistently, that is a 6% chance of developing full-blown diabetes mellitus, type 2 diabetes. in 10 years. So if 85 is what we want and 100 is what you are, 15 times 6 is 100% chance of getting diabetes if you don't change. Diabetes is a precursor to Alzheimer's.

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And so I'm just so frantic when my patients say to me, Oh, because I look at their labs that their doctors have given them. It's 110. Oh, they said I was pre-diabetic. We don't need to worry. I'm like, you do need to worry, and here is why. And so I don't mean to scare people, but I think a little fire is sometimes necessary.

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So when I prescribe exercise, especially in midlife, it consists of four things. Flexibility and mobility, aerobics we've spoken about, carrying a load, which is what I call weightlifting, and equilibrium and foot speed. So let's talk about F and E. The acronym is FACE. Let's talk about F and E. Flexibility and mobility means that all of our joints...

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Absolutely. If you're in your 20s going into your 30s, you know, think about that time of life. There's a lot of uncertainty in that time, right? You're just finishing your education. You may or may not have the job of your dreams. You may be living with your parents. But that is the perfect time when there are probably still other people taking care of you in some way.

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to move well in aging need to be able to go through their full range of motion. You need to fully extend your knee, fully bend your knee. Our hip needs to be able to at least bend to 90 and fully go straight. When you see people who are aged shuffling down the street, it's often due to muscle weakness and because their joints just don't move anymore. So how do we prevent that? Well,

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Simple things like going through daily dynamic warmup, which is simply putting all your joints through their full range of motion every single day. Things like Tai Chi and Pilates and even yoga are amazing for maintaining that full range of motion.

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It's not only the bones, however, it's not only the capsule that's just the surrounding of the joints, but with time, the cross-linking, and I'll explain more, in our tendons and ligaments become stronger. So tendons and ligaments, which tendons connect muscle to bone, ligaments connect bones to each other, are made of fibers of collagen in sheets.

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The bonds between those collagen tighten with age. So tendons and ligaments get stiffer unless we continually put them through their full range of motion so they don't lose that motion. So the natural progression of aging is tightness and tightness and tightness. But we can reverse that in the ways we talked about. It's a daily practice or at least a three or four times a week practice, right?

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to figure out your life habits, right? That is not the time to skate along on your youthful zest or your youthful biology, but learn to sleep. Learn to prioritize your health over, for instance, those things that are gonna tear you down. I mean, listen, we're all young, we all wanna go out, we all wanna burn the midnight oil,

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So I like every workout to start with a dynamic warmup, meaning we're gonna warm everything up. So I'll just, for instance, It may sound simple, but it is. Full arm circles, meaning you're pretending to be Michael Phelps. You're putting your arms to your right. Full arm circles, trunk rotations, bending back and forth, twisting side to side. Hip rotations, I just grab a stable surface and...

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Bring my hip forward, circle it all around, just 10 reps even. Or if you want to sit on the ground, there's this great hip mobility stretch called a 90-90. You just bend your knees to 90 and you go back and forth. And so the same with our knees.

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Yes. And then there's this wonderful stretch that I, it just feels so good. It's called a bookend stretch. You lay on a flat surface with arms out to the side, like a cross. You bend your knee up and then you just roll it over and that stretches your lumbar spine. So you have full mobility. That's a dynamic warmup.

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It's not hard, but you must start every workout with that so that as you're sprinting or as you're lifting, that everything is primed and ready. So that's the flexibility part. The E-F-A-C-E is equilibrium and foot speed. We've talked about muscle. We've talked about bone and fragility. Many people, even with low muscle mass, even with low bone density, may be okay until they fall.

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One critical fall can be, and I can tell you all kinds of stories, but it can mean the difference between life-death, living alone, not living alone. So what do we do about it? We've got to retrain our balance. simply as standing on one foot when you brush your teeth. Literally, you're standing there, tree pose, hand going back and forth.

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You will retrain the neuromuscular pathways that degrade starting about in your 20s.

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You must. And alternate legs on different days of the week, right? You will retrain your balance so quickly because we should be able to balance on one leg for about 20 seconds. Mm-hmm. Because what happens when we reach over and we just fall over?

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Yeah. We don't want to do that. The other thing is it's very common to see all kinds of athletes doing agility drills. You've seen it on the field, jumping up and down, jumping over barriers. People like you and me need to retrain the ability to have foot speed and agility so that if you're like me and you leave your work bag by the edge of your chair and you get up too quickly, you can...

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catch your foot and hop over it instead of catch your foot and land flat on your face.

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But now is the time to respect yourself enough to make the decisions to say, okay, five days a week, I'm going to focus on my career. I'm going to focus on getting ahead. I am going to take care of my body. And because I'm young, I can play around a few days. But if we do that seven days a week, we end up a decade later with no habits, no

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I love that you've headed in this direction because when I said earlier that I've been practicing a long time and you can't excuse me I think that people make excuses or don't invest time in themselves for a lot of reasons. One may be busyness, but what that means is you are prioritizing everything else in your life before yourself. And I think that people in relationships do that.

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Parents do that. Mothers do it a lot. But if you don't invest in yourself, you will not be able to invest in others. So sometimes it really is... As simple as, I've got so much to do. I just can't fit it all in. I'm going to get that done first. It's a matter of priorities. Sometimes I believe you. I believe what you said, which is it's self-love.

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I often say things like, until you believe you are worth the daily investment in your health, nothing else will matter. You have to put value in yourself.

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And whether we were raised that we should be seen and not heard because we're not valuable or that women are told we must be little and cannot take up space and therefore we're not valuable, we need to do the inner work to understand that we have value. not only to each other, but to ourselves. We inherently are created with value. And that takes a lot of inner work, right?

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I also think that for people who start out on a journey, they've learned what they need to do. They're like, I am committed. We're right after the new year and I'm going to do this thing. What happens, I find, I'd be interested in if you think this, we'll start out We'll do the hard thing. We'll do some harder things. When we do hard things, sometimes we revert to the last place that we felt safe.

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And if we revert to the safety of the couch with the bonbons, because psychologically and anxiety-wise, that's our safe place. Sometimes it's our safe place that will kill us. Wow. It's just where there's the least mental turmoil. So those are some of the reasons.

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Probably this beer belly we never wanted and you're getting teased with our friends. So I think it's time now as we're enjoying our youth to develop habits that will last a lifetime.

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Here's what's selfish. Gosh, and I'm not really lecturing people. But people say a lot, because I take call, I take care of people who have broken big bones. And they say things like, oh, I just never want to be a burden to my children. And I understand that, right? Sometimes I respond to them like, well, you took care of them for most of their lives. Maybe they can take care of you.

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But the reality is that if we do not want to be a burden to other people, then we must take care of ourselves. Because time and physics and energy rolling downhill... There are time bombs of aging, inflammation, senescence, our stem cells get old, that if we do not reinvest in ourselves, the worst can happen. And if that worst for you is being a burden to your children.

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So if you want insurance against that, then rise above that feeling, you know, prioritize yourself.

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I think that if I could find a way to help people understand that they were worth it, that would be the end of my work because it's, you're right, I do, I'm a communicator at heart, I'm a teacher at heart.

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I like to connect people with their bodies because listen, no wonder people are confused. The language of medicine is Latin. What is the brachial plexus? What is all these Latin anatomy words? How are people supposed to know? My job is to connect you with your body and to love it and understand it.

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But I'm going to tell you for sure, that's still 50% of the time, whether it's a regular doctor's visit or people have paid a lot of money to get the best advice in the world, they somehow don't take action and they know what to do and don't do it and know what to do and don't do it. And so I get to the place where I meet them in the emergency room with their broken hip and

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And they're laying there in excruciating pain, frail. And if I could have just gotten them to believe that they were worth the daily investment in their health, that would be work worth doing. But here's the deal. I can't make them. I've come to understand. I can't make you love yourself. I can't make you care about your well-being more than you care about other people's.

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I think if we start earlier, it's just our lifestyle. It's how we live, right? It often, and I tell people this at any age, that as we're layering on our health habits, it may seem like a lot at first, but if it's just how we live, then it's no extra stress, right?

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I can just encourage you to do the work if that's what it's going to take to realize that safety is often being strong. Safety is often being mobile. Safety is preservation of your brain.

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Love yourself enough to give yourself the same grace you give other people. To know that your efforts are not perfect, but that it matters. Just trying matters.

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The worst health advice I've ever heard are all the wacko diets, the grapefruit, the pickle, the soup diet. Like we are all, anything ending in a diet, suppose as an endpoint, what I am helping people do is build a lifestyle, how we live, not a set amount of time.

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I think that if you are on a stringent diet, you develop a mindset of austerity. And instead of thinking about food occasionally, it's you obsess about it. And that is counterproductive because if you are hungry all the time or obsessed with, oh, I have to only eat half a grapefruit, it takes over your brain versus if you say the way I eat is that I get a gram of protein per ideal pound.

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And what does that mean? Oh, well, I'm going to have an egg white omelet that's 30 grams. This is just how I eat. Here's an example. When I go out to dinner with people who know what I say, they always are watching what I'm ordering. And then they'll say things like, oh, I feel so guilty. I want to have... And I say, don't feel guilt. I'm not... I am just eating the way I eat.

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It's not a sacrifice. It's just what I do. So you do you and I'll do me. But it's a funny reaction people have. So do I think diets can be helpful? I think a nutrition plan can be helpful. Here's how many protein. Here's how much carbs. These are the amazing sources. But a six-week diet...

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I think you get to the end, you may have lost some weight, you've probably lost a lot of muscle, then you'll gain it back and you'll gain back more fat than you lost in the first place.

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For instance, if you're used to mobility almost every day, if you're used to making food choices that do not involve a lot of fried foods or you understand that you can't be drunk every night and still be healthy, then it is no effort to live that way versus, oh my gosh, I've got to do these five or six things. Does that make sense?

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We're losing the ability to, we're losing physical muscle. We're losing the metabolic power to process our glucose. We're losing muscle volume to produce irisin, the protein that muscle produces that goes to the brain in variety. We're losing the metabolic capacity and we're losing strength so that we can't get up out of a chair. We fall down more easily. We lose a lot.

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And it is, but that's the icing. That is not the cake.

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I want to dispel a myth right now that is so common in the population that there is no evidence that running causes arthritis, right? Running itself and studies have shown that runners on the whole have less heart disease, have less metabolic disease. They also, if they don't lift weights, have less muscle.

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So that is the only reason in my mind that running can be bad for you because unless you eat, unless you lift weights, your body will eat the muscle that you have. And for serious runners, they have a body type. They're all thin, very low muscled. It doesn't mean they're not fast. But that's the only time I can think of.

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I used to believe that six days a week of high intensity interval training was what was going to make me the healthiest. And that's simply not true.

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It made me hurt. It made me exhausted. And I didn't recompose my body at all. I stayed the same composition.

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Because it wasn't intense enough. It wasn't sprint intervals to really stimulate my body. And... When we do the same thing all the time, we develop imbalances and that's where injury comes from. So when I did high intensity neuronal training five or six days a week, I would always develop left Achilles tendonitis, right hip flexor pain, because I have these imbalances and I was augmenting that.

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We should walk everywhere. We should be like New Yorkers and Europeans, walking all the time.

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The good news is, is that recently a study was released that showed our first big hit of biologic aging is about 40. Now, that doesn't mean that you can- What does that mean, yeah? That means at a cellular level, the repair mechanisms become less efficient. It means that our pluripotent stem cells, which we have not only from our bone marrow, but in every cell, are actually less young.

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That being said, lifestyle can rejuvenate those. And we've done our own, we've done, that's part of my research, having done those studies. But so when I say at 40, it's the first big hit, our actual intracellular biology becomes less efficient. We are able to clear the toxins of metabolism less efficiently.

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We're able to produce the proteins that our cells make in normal living from our DNA less effectively. So I don't want to give 30-year-olds a pass. I call the time between 35 and 45 the critical decade, just to get everything established, to get in the best shape of your life, so that you're actually starting midlife. Because when you look at life expectancy... Midlife is 40, right?

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And so we tend to think, oh, when I get old, well, 40 is midlife. If we arrive there having taken care of the habits, it is significantly easier. Now, it's easier to start at 40 than it is at 65. I don't want to be discouraging to people if you've missed the boat on 2030s. But that's what I mean by biologically, there's a big hit about 44.

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with the experience of age and working this long, your top priority is to figure out how to sleep through the night. Because secondarily, if I tell you to go build muscle mass and to work on your VO2 max, which we can talk about all those things, if you're exhausted, if you are not...

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aware of your circadian rhythm and when you should be going to sleep and when you're waking up, you will not have the energy or the brain power to do the secondary things, which number two is mobility. I'm an orthopedic surgeon. It's top of mind for me where everybody's talking about it now. We are to build lean muscle mass.

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But what people forget about is this is prime time in both men and women's lives to to build your bone. We top out at bone density around 30, right? So what does that mean? Well, we need the thickest, strongest bones because we literally do live off that for the rest of our lives. Now, we can get into this, but you can build bone back, but you need the best bones and

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And that's what I would focus on, muscle and bone. And then finally, everybody needs to not treat their bodies like a garbage can. We are not a trash disposal. Everything can't go in. This is a temple. This is a meticulously designed machine. And just like we would take care of the machines of our cars by what we put in it, many people don't think of their bodies in the same way.

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Well, particularly for women. 40 to 45 becomes a critical time that they might not even be aware of. Because what we know, and you've probably heard of this before, I've heard it on your podcast, women are born with the amount of eggs that we're ever going to have at birth. It's a miracle, right? And we slowly use those such that at age 40... We only have 1% left.

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Well, it's our eggs that make our estrogen. So as our total number of eggs declines, so does our estrogen. And that's about the time when women go from this normal cyclic pattern of hormones up and down to... haywire. And that's when we don't build muscle as well. We don't build bone as well. But our sleep becomes disturbed because our circadian rhythm is off.

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And so it is not uncommon for women in their 40s, and this is such a common time, we're all waking up at 3.37 in the morning and Not only because our sugar is dipping and our bodies are waking us up to save our lives, but because of the hormonal fluctuations. So sleep becomes really difficult.

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But think about in our early 40s, because many women have chosen to put off childbearing, they may have just come off of the time when their children are up all night. And now they're plagued by not being able to sleep. So it becomes a real big problem. For men, men don't realize it, but... Men can start losing testosterone in their early 40s too.

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And the caveat to that is your testosterone may still be in the normal range, 250 to over 1,000, but most men don't check their testosterone when they're 20 or 30. So you still may be in the normal range, but your normal, I'm making a random person up here, your normal may be 850, and now you're 450. So for your body, it's a dramatic change, and that affects sleep cycles and everything.

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So that's why sleep in our 40s becomes more difficult.

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I totally agree with you because there was a time in my life when I didn't sleep. In graduate school, and then I had a baby, and then I was in residency, and it frightens me how much sleep I lost because we know now it's so critical for longevity in biology. But The things I'm about to say to you are not rocket science and yet I find They're hard for people to get in a habit of doing.

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Science shows us we must go to bed and wake up at the same time to set our daily clock. During the night, we build up a protein called adenosine. We wake up and it's at our highest. We try to see the sun unless it's the dead of winter to start our day. But if we have uneven sleep schedules, then that clock is off. So protecting your go-to-bed time and protecting your waking-up time.

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Runners who only run are hurt a lot, and it's usually due to a motion imbalance. So I always do this test to show them whether your butt muscles are strong enough to keep your pelvis straight and whether you're strong enough to keep your knee from falling into this position.

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That is the reality that I see every day as an orthopedic surgeon on call. But there are other reasons to care about the bones because fracture is a big one. Bones, and it makes sense, nature is so conservative. Bones are in our body from the top of our head to our pinky toe, right? Bones are master communicators. We think of muscle, which we're all talking about now, and bone.

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and adipose and everything as siloed organs that don't have much to do with each other except they live next to each other. The fact of the matter is, for instance, when we're talking about the musculoskeletal system—bone, tendon, ligament, muscle, fat, cartilage, muscle stem cells— They're all derived from the same stem cell, the mesenchymal stem cell. So they're not distant neighbors.

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They're cousins. And they all speak in the same language. They may have different dialects. I was thinking about an example of this, you know, how in the UK, English is the language. But depending on what parish you live in or which country within the UK, English sounds very different. But it's the same language. So within musculoskeletal tissue, muscle and bone are not separate.

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They are one ecosystem, such that... When muscle releases a protein called irisin, it talks to the bone. When bone releases a protein called osteocalcin, it talks to the muscle. But in the case of bone, osteocalcin, if we just stick with that protein, it talks to the whole body.

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When your osteoblasts, the bone building cells in your bones, release osteocalcin, it goes to your brain and has a neuroprotective effect by decreasing inflammation. It goes to your brain and causes the synthesis of neurons in the hippocampus. It goes to the pancreas and helps with insulin insensitivity. It goes to the muscle and helps the muscles scoop up glucose out of the blood, right?

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If you're a man, osteocalcin can travel to the testes and that organ, the lytic cells under stimulation of osteocalcin will produce testosterone. So It's like a miracle and a wonder that we just think of bones as the strong, silent type that hold up our muscle. Because actually bone and the proteins that it produces are master communicators.

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And it makes so much sense because we have bone everywhere in our bodies. Why wouldn't our bodies use it like that?

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Well, and it is a frame, right? What's muscle without bone? Just a heap of metabolic tissue, right? It makes us, gives us our statue, but it's a master communicator. The framework is almost a secondary job, in my opinion.

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So we've talked about the bone being structural, right? It holds you up. It gives you your stature. We've talked about bone being a master communicator. Another job of the bone is as your body's storehouse. Two really, really important, maybe if we just talk about one of them, calcium. Calcium is a critical mineral in our body.

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We need it for muscle contraction, for pushing molecules across cell membranes. but we've got to store it somewhere. So when we eat food, our intestines pull it out of the food we eat and stores it in our bones. And so our body is always sensing how much calcium, how much phosphorus do we have? What do we need? When our body senses that we need more, It goes to the bone.

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It tickles the osteoclast and say, osteoclast, we need some more calcium. The osteoclast breaks down some bone, releases calcium, and it goes into the body for use. And then the body has enough to use. The body does not just keep piling it in because hypercalcemia causes heart arrhythmias. It's bad, right? The body is perfectly in homeostasis, in balance. So when the bone has released enough,

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It sits back and keeps storing it, right? The calcium your body doesn't need, if the bone is full, it's excreted through the kidneys. And this is a really fine balance between building bone, releasing the storehouse of minerals into the bloodstream, or saying, oh, we've got enough. Let's send it out in our urine. The body is such a miracle like that.

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So, you know, there are lots of things that go into bone fragility or osteopenia, and one of them is not laying down enough bone in our youth. You asked me earlier about changes across a lifespan. When it comes to bone... What's interesting is that I get very, very young women in my clinic, 25, 28, whom for various reasons I do a bone density test on, and they already have brittle bone.

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I know, it's shocking. Well, I think that happens for a number of reasons. Number one, we didn't build enough bone. There is still a myth in this country that women have to be teeny tiny, that we have to starve ourselves. And when that happens, many women do not have consistent menstrual cycles and estrogen, which then helps us lay down bone. So that's number one.

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Yes, it does. Critical role. So we're not laying down enough. Or maybe... We're athletes. Title IX, which is the law that equalized sport for women in college, is 53 years old. So maybe young women are not laying down enough bone because they're expending so much energy, 10,000 calories a day, and then they're not refeeding in the way. So they're always living in a state of energy deficit.

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and not laying down enough bone. Or maybe young women are coming to my office with not enough bone because we're raising an entire generation of sedentary children who are sitting around in their basements playing games, building brains, but not building bodies. That is borne out by looking out of the University of Wisconsin. Orthopedic researchers there studied which women's sports

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So, you know, as a sports doctor over the years, we've learned how to take really high-performing athletes, you know, those who are winning all the time, who need to continually get better and better and better at their craft. And over the 30 years of my career, we've gone from really focusing on how they train

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build the best bone, and it's gymnastics. It is the pounding and the feeding of those athletes that builds the best bone. So we have trouble with not enough brittle bones in adolescence because we're not building it. The second place in the lifespan that we may become low in bone density, and hear me, people, I am not saying not to breastfeed.

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I mean, in my children, my child, I breastfed for a year. It's really great for babies. But a woman breastfeeding will lose 20% of her bone density in the first six months of breastfeeding. And if she's not really careful to get 500 milligrams of calcium a day in her food or through supplementation, she will not build it back.

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And then if you have children in succession, because many women are waiting until 30s to have their first child and then have less time, we may never build back bone. So that's another key point that people don't realize could be dangerous to the bones. And then finally, yes, is this period around perimenopause, starting around 45, when estrogen levels become very high?

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chaotic and then ultimately zero, that can cause the rapid decline in bone density and bone weakness that you're actually asking me about. And that's because estrogen is critical for controlling the absorption, this part, the absorption of bone. And without estrogen controlling the absorption, it just keeps breaking down bone faster than the osteoblast, the building cells can build it.

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Absolutely. To build everything. You know, we make mitochondria most the energy of our cells. We make a lot of mitochondria in our youth. If we're not active in our youth, we don't have the anabolic stimulus as much to make as much mitochondria. If we are sedentary children, we will make bone, but we will not build bone to the extent we do if we're bashing it every day.

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And I think the data out of Wisconsin is a good illustration of that.

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And that's what my study from the National Senior Games shows, that by impacting your bones across your lifespan, you can change your bone density.

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Yeah. And the data I gave you was specifically for breastfeeding.

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So for breastfeeding mothers, you will lose about 500 milligrams of calcium a day as you're making milk for your child. You must replace that. I like people to replace their calcium with whole food, right? With prunes and dates and high calcium dairy, if you will. If you simply cannot do that, okay, take a supplement. But if you forget to do that, I mean, I get it. I was a young mother.

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the periodization of their training to the last time I was at the University of Pittsburgh, I was the medical director of the UPMC Lemieux Sports Complex, which is where the Pittsburgh Penguins are housed. And it had gotten so scientific. They had a full-time chef. Every meal from breakfast, lunch, dinner, every meal on the planes were prepared because when it comes down to split-second agility,

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I'm exhausted. I wasn't a young mother. I was a 40-year-old mother. Exhausted. You have to be so mindful as the baby's latching on to eat some calcium, eat your yogurt, eat your calcium, chew from whole foods, if you will, so that you rebuild your bone, which you're completely capable of doing.

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Studies show you will rebuild your bone, but not if you're not aware, not if you're in the, I've got to lose the baby fat starving phase. Let's not do that.

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Well, if we just talk about, just choose one of the proteins that bone makes, osteocalcin. So as that's released into the bloodstream, one of the places it goes is into the brain and it can cause, it can aid in the neuroprotective effects. So what does that mean? Under normal metabolism, we develop free radicals due to normal metabolism cell work. We develop oxidative stress.

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And osteocalcin works to decrease that oxidative damage, to repair cells in the brain. So that's number one. Number two... It stimulates the release of something called brain-derived neurotrophic protein, BDNF factor, which stimulates the growth of neurons in a part of the brain called the hippocampus, which is involved in memory. And here's the opposite side of it.

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We know in people that have low bone density, They also have higher brain cognitive dysfunction with age and vice versa. There's an association in the literature with osteoporosis and cognitive decline and vice versa.

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I think the critical decade for most of our health, Stephen, is no later than 35 to 45 for men and women. That's because we know for women... that's when estrogen starts to decline or become chaotic. So when we're in our 30s to 40s, that is the time to get all of our health habits together. It's time to get a physical to see what your baseline labs are.

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I think it would be critical for men and women, particularly men. To get a baseline testosterone so that in the future, when we're thinking about supplementing testosterone, we're supplementing back to your particular level. Because in the future, let's say when you're 50, a man's testosterone could be 600, which falls within the normal range.

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But if he's still feeling low energy, not himself, a lot of tendon and ligaments injuries, well, his young testosterone might have been 800 or 1,000. So I like people to get baseline labs if they've never been to the doctor before, around 35, all things, so that we know what we're returning you to, number one.

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Number two, if you have been so busy with your career and stepped away from any semblance of mobility and resistance training, now is the time. Because had I known then what I know now, when I was 40, I was training for triathlons. I was an aerobic athlete, right? I ran, I biked.

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But what I would have done then with what I know now is I would have been lifting a lot of weight to build maximum muscle while I still had the most hormones to start at a better place. Because you can build muscle, but it's better to start from a higher average. So get some labs, make a relationship with a doctor, get all your preventive screening. Do not blow that off.

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Develop the habits that are going to carry you through a lifetime, whether it's smart anti-inflammatory nutrition, whether it's getting into a resistance training program, building up your cardiac machine. I saw that you were running a lot now and we want the highest possible VO2 max that we can as we enter into midlife because we never want as we age to cross something called the fragility line.

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Top of brain thinking, every little bit counts. And so in the 30 years of my medical career, it's gone from just learning more about performance science of how to train to how to feed people to how to recover people. So instead of doing, for instance, I think Dara Torres was talking about her Olympic runs in her 40s, right? She trained much differently when she was 24.

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So VO2 max is the measure of, it's the ultimate measure of fitness. How much oxygen you are capable of pulling out of the air and diffusing across your lungs into your blood. World-class athletes. I was just at the U.S. Olympic Center in Park City, Utah. Those athletes have a VO2 max of 75, 80, sometimes 90, right?

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Mere mortals are considered excellent when they have a VO2 max of around 50 for women, around 50. So... You can build VO2 max and should in the critical decade because once we hit midlife, we will decline 10% a decade if we don't consistently build it up. So what does that look like? So if I started at 50, 50 years old, my last VO2 max was when I was 50. And it was 50.

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It was pretty good because I was an endurance person, right? Just in whole numbers, by the time I turn 60, it's going to be 45, 70, 40. 80, 35. I never, ever, ever want to hit 18 if I'm a man or 16 if I'm a woman, because that is the level of VO2 max when we can't get up from a chair by ourselves, when we can't walk across the room, because that takes cardiac function.

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And so the higher we get our VO2 max in our youth, the more runway we have, even if we don't continue to build it up.

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Yes. Osteoporosis is the word we use to describe low bone density.

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So the way we measure osteoporosis is using an x-ray called a DEXA scan, a dual x-ray. And it just measures, it compares your bone density to that of a 30-year-old healthy person. And it gives us something called a T-score. So it's like when you're in school and you're graded on a bell curve and the center of the curve is average, and that's the average for a 30-year-old.

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When you get a DEXA scan score and it's positive, fantastic. You have bones of a 30-year-old. If you get a T-score on a DEXA scan that's from zero to minus one, it's okay. Minus one is the definition of osteopenia, meaning watch out, your bones are getting weak. The definition of osteoporosis is a T-score of minus 2.5. Increases your risk of fracture by 40% or more.

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All the bad statistics that I talked to you about come with osteoporosis.

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Well, 2 million men have osteoporosis. Interestingly, isn't that interesting? You don't think about it as a men's disease. And one in two women will have an osteoporotic fracture, so at least 50% of women. But it's not inevitable. That's why I'm so interested in in catching people early and the critical decade. It's not inevitable, but it will be inevitable if we don't catch it.

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But here's the thing that's bothersome. In the United States and in many other countries with people I deal with, you cannot get a DEXA scan paid for until you're 65. By 65, the damage is done. Why are we waiting? Even with people who have had a fracture, there's a gap in follow-up such that they should all

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And in her 40s, after she had had a child, it was much more about recovery, not as much hours in a pool. So I take all those things that we've learned over the course of my career and now apply them not only to athletes, but to people like you and me who were in high performance jobs. I need to be tip top in every sphere of my life as you do.

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Have a DEXA scan because the number one thing that predicts future fracture is past fracture. So public service announcement, if you've had a fracture, get a DEXA scan, even if it was a traumatic one, like you had made a car accident. But definitely, if you have fallen, if your dog pulled you down, if it was a low trauma fracture, get a DEXA scan because then at least you'll know where you are.

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You know, I think you can get clues from your own family.

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If your mother shrank... If you used to be able to look your mother in the eye, like me, my mother looked me in the eye 5'4", and now she's way down here, we lose height in both men and women due to compression of her spine vertebrae. We lose height. So if your dad shrank, if your mother shrank, that's a good indication that you have a family history where osteoporosis can exist.

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Or if your mother had a hip fracture. Or if... For some reason, maybe asthma, you've had to be on high dose steroids your whole life or an autoimmune. That's very bad for bones. So from a medical standpoint, from a family history standpoint, from a personal standpoint, usually fracture.

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Yeah, I'm really glad you asked that. Smoking is a poison to bone healing, whether it is fracture will heal more slowly. In fact, we have a much higher rate of nonunion, which is where we fix a fracture and it still doesn't heal in smokers. We know that there is a big body of data within the orthopedic literature for people who have spine surgery who are smokers.

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They are not only less healing, but they're more infected. So the noxious chemicals in smoking are very bad for bones.

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It's all. Vaping might be more dangerous. We just don't have as much literature.

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That goes back to what we were talking about before, and there's a correlation. I don't believe we worked out the causation, but there's a correlation. We see people with Alzheimer's and people with dangerous osteoporosis are sometimes the same group 30% of the time.

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People with brain disease also have osteoporosis, and it may be due to this connection that we've talked about between the two organ systems.

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I do. My Aunt Ida, she was brilliant. She was a teacher. And she stopped remembering. She didn't remember herself. She didn't remember the farm that we were all raised on. That's a really hard thing to witness. Sometimes people with Alzheimer's lose the inhibition and they become angry and enraged and afraid. She never did that. But that's a hard thing to witness.

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And how do we eat better, recover better, take the principles of performance that we've learned from athletes into high performers and even mere mortal athletes like me?

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Well, you know what it has done? It has put an urgency and even it still is a day-to-day battle. I don't want, I think sometimes people think for me personally that because I talk about these things all the time and I do lift heavy and I do the thing, I live the life, I prescribe for people that it's easy and it's not easy.

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I told you I had finished this book I was writing and there was a big gap in the consistency of this lifestyle. But what motivates me to get back is the question of What would it be like to live without a brain that's preserved? I mean, I don't know. Sometimes I think about if I was aging and I had to choose one, would I choose an able body or an able brain? Isn't that hard?

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I don't know that you do have to choose, but I can't fathom. what life would be like without an able brain. And so for me, that motivates me to lift, to make my skeletal muscles secrete the proteins that go to the brain and build better brain, to eat the foods that are not going to clog my arteries. It's just as a motivator because I want to be this way until I die.

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To live longer, stronger, and better. I'm on a rampage to make bones sexy again. Because in the United States, at least 50% of women will get osteoporosis along with 2 million men. Now osteoporosis is low bone density. And studies show that people with low bone density have higher cognitive decline. It increases your risk of fracture.

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Alzheimer's disease is thought of as the third phase of diabetes, right? And so everybody is aware of diabetes and it means you don't process sugar and you have glucose intolerance and your pancreas is no longer functioning and the bad sequela that can come with that. What people are not aware of as much, at least as people who come to my clinic, is pre-diabetes.

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And if you don't mind me diverging a little bit, because it's so important to this question you just asked me, and can we prevent it? And if we got to choose, what would we choose? But I have people coming into my office all the time and I look at their labs and they have a fasting glucose. They've had their labs drawn. They've done what we've said, get in front of your critical decade.

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They've had their fasting glucose drawn and it's 110%. I'm going to tell you. And their hemoglobin A1c is nearing six. So fasting glucose is the glucose that remains in your blood after you haven't eaten for 12 hours. In a normally functioning pancreas metabolic system, we want our fasting glucose to be around 85. Right? That's normal. It means we eat something healthy.

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Insulin comes out of our pancreas, the sugar is put into our muscle, and then the blood sugar is around 85. If it's staying up 110 consistently, we know from the literature that you have a 70 to 100% chance of developing full-blown diabetes within 10 years. But what I see in people coming into my office is I'll say, did anybody ever tell you you were pre-diabetic?

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You know, I am not a brain scientist myself, but I am fortunate to be surrounded by people who are expert in that. So from my own perspective, I've come to appreciate at a much deeper level personally, as well as professionally, the role of sleep. In fact, We've talked about my previous books from the early 2000s before. And when I wrote those books, mobility was king. I wrote only about mobility.

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And either the answer is no or the answer is, oh, yeah, somebody told me they said just make a few, you know, focus more on your exercise. And what I think the reaction to the diagnosis of prediabetes should be is running and screaming to get healthy.

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Because if we know that with a consistent blood sugar in the pre-diabetic range, and we're casually told by our health care provider, oh, just go try to exercise more, you know, just casually approach this, don't eat so many carbs, that is not serious enough.

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Because we know from a preventative standpoint, from a precision longevity standpoint, which is all about prevention, we can prevent you from getting to diabetes in the next 10 years if we're really, really serious. about lifting weights, about cardio health, about anti-inflammatory nutrition, following.

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So I don't view prediabetes as a casual thing at all, because if in 10 years you're going to get diabetes and in 10 more years you're going to have Alzheimer's disease, and I could have prevented that by paying attention when I was 40, It's almost inexcusable that we're not paying more attention to it. 96 million people in the United States have prediabetes. 96 million?

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96 million, according to the American Diabetes Association. I just gave a talk at their annual convention. 96 million have a preventable characteristic that we can prevent them from becoming diabetic and getting Alzheimer's disease, and yet it is too casually spoken of.

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I was an endurance athlete, and I don't have it today. It ran out. But I'm a little obsessed with continuous glucose monitoring.

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So I've been wearing it for about 18 months, and it's so interesting. I told you that I just finished this book, and I've gotten a little bit off my regular intensity, and it changes my blood sugar. So- I run a little – because I haven't been lifting four times a week, only twice a week, because I haven't been sprinting twice a week, like my normal regimen is I lift heavy four times a week.

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On the other days, I do about four days of base training zone two. Two of those days, I sprint. I always eat a lot of protein. That is my lifestyle. And my blood sugar is 85 when I do that. And I'm a midlife woman. And, you know, the metabolic things that happen to midlife women. Even backing off a little bit starts to creep up my blood sugar.

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So this is a constant, daily, habitual lifestyle that we all need to lead. And so when I see that in someone as healthy as me, when my patients show up and they've casually been told that they have something that's going to kill them, I don't think that's enough attention.

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Well, I can tell you, for instance, the dietitians and chefs that make the food for the pro athletes that I've taken care of across my life, they're not only eating meat. They have a very well-balanced diet that includes lots of vegetables, lots of high protein. They take amino acid supplements if they need to fill in the gaps, right, if they're not getting enough leucine or something.

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But they just don't go down one one pathway. I haven't seen that in the pros that I take care of.

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And then as I progressed in my career, I got deeper, deeper, deeper into nutrition. And then I would say, okay, nutrition is number one and mobility is second. But at this phase of evolution of sleep science and knowing how restoring the brain and providing adequate time and nutrients

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Agreed. Agreed. You know, because of the CGM thing, I found that if I only eat protein for breakfast, which egg white omelet or, you know, whatever, just protein, that I needed a little complex carbs in order for about 10 o'clock in the morning to be able to function at a high level with my patients. So now I've added 50 grams of carbs in the morning, but that's not a lot of carbs, not very much.

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I just needed that little complex, but interesting, right?

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I eat 130 grams of protein a day. There's no upper limit on how much protein you can eat in a single setting. I try to get at least 30 because there is a lower threshold for 30. And so if I do that, it takes three meals and a couple snacks a day. That's a lot of volume of food. So I try to eat really dense. So a cup of Greek yogurt is like 18 grams. And A really pure beef stick is another 16.

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So at this point, I've memorized the most dense foods that I can to get that much protein.

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It's a gram per pound. It's a gram per pound, and that's what I need to build muscle. Studies have shown that eating high protein alone without lifting as much as I want myself and others to do will help maintain muscle. And then I eat a lot of vegetables. I don't know. I hope people are not going to throw them at me, but I don't eat fruit except blueberries. Fruit is nature's dessert.

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So if we're going to eat fruit, eat it as dessert. I eat blueberries with my yogurt. And then carbs, I only eat complex carbs if I eat them at all.

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I put sleep first, sleep and recovery first, because you can't do any of these other things without a well-recovered brain. In fact, somebody asked me the other day, about timing of working out and is it always necessary to do it in the morning? Like that's the mantra, get up, go do your workout. And my answer to that was, you have to know how your brain works.

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I think I would put muscle and bone near the same category because you can have all the muscle you want, but if you break your hip, you still have the downstream effects. Now, you're much less likely to break your hip if you're strong, but I think muscle or bone are really important.

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It is never too late. Your body will always rise to the strategic stress you place on it. So there are a lot of and growing number of what used to be anomalies all over the internet of people in their 60s, 70s, 80s and beyond in a gym powerlifting environment. becoming competitive bodybuilders.

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So even if you're starting not being able to get up out of a chair, over a very short amount of time, six months, a year, you can reverse the trajectory of your frailty. But it takes consistency, right?

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Well, and you know what you do for that is nobody expects you to start with powerlifting, squats, deadlifts. Nobody expects that. Moving our body through a range of motion, doing body weight, progressing to free weights, progressing to light kettlebells, progressing to bands. Once you see that your body is capable of adapting and progressing to you will get there pretty rapidly.

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I used to do this program called a start where I would take people fresh off the couch. And over three months, we would get them to a 5K race because 5K is a meaningful distance for people who are sedentary. And over that course of three months, we did a series of body weight and kettlebell type exercises in a circuit followed by walking.

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And people started with 51% body fat, not being able to get through the warm-up, not be able to hold themselves up in a plank. And in three months, they could plank for two minutes. They could walk for three miles. They could keep going for the entire 10-minute circuit without having to stop.

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So there is never an age or skill level when our body will not respond to the strategic stress you put on it. So get a trainer for your dad.

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You know, I was just reading this morning, actually, that even with a 10-week hiatus from, let's say you're lifting consistently, even with a 10-week hiatus, you will retain muscle memory so that you don't make serious declines, which is a little relief to me because I'd spent a little while with this book.

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So you retain muscle memory and you can quickly, once you get started again, get back up to the place you were. So all is not lost if you take a few days off. The minimum, if we're really working at it, is a couple days a week, progressively lifting harder for men in midlife. It's about eight reps, four sets for women once we've trained to the place we can lifting heavy, four reps, four sets.

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For instance, my brain is best between 5 a.m. and 2 p.m. That is when I'm going to get all my deep work done. I'm going to be creative. I'm going to think. After 2 p.m., I could build you a house. I can continue operating. But if I'm going to write a book, it's going to be early. So I do not work out in the morning because I'm not going to waste that brain energy.

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And when I say that out loud, I get a lot of comments about somebody's going to get hurt. Well, it's true. But you have to work your way up to that. Like any sport, you have to work your way towards that level. Because what we're trying to do by lifting heavier, especially for women, is replace the anabolic stimulus that estrogen once was. You must work hard enough. Estrogen creates growth.

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We must signal our body by the intensity of our work to build muscle. And lifting heavy does that. So if you're starting on the couch, start with bands. Start with light weights. Start with the mamby-pamby pink weights that I rail against. But don't stay there. Continue to work your way up in a progressive way to heavy lifting, total body at least twice a week to maintain.

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Well, it depends what you want. So lighter weights, higher reps will function for hypertrophy, for bigger total muscle, but not necessarily power and strength. In midlife and beyond, I am lifting for longevity and power. So I'm not as interested as I once was in the bigness of my muscle. I am interested in can it move powerfully over time? Can I get up off the floor?

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Can I lift my suitcase above my head? So lifting for power is lower reps, higher weights. So it just depends what our goal is. You may be focused on hypertrophy right now, which is fine because you've not reached the critical decade.

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So it has to do with muscle is the sink for glucose. It is a key factor in preventing insulin resistance, not to mention strength, staying upright, not falling down, causing a fracture, right? So muscle is a metabolic endocrine organ.

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It releases, when it releases, you know, one of the things it releases is skeletal muscle contraction, biceps curls, causes the transcription of a protein called clotho. which is the longevity protein. About 30 years ago, it was described in Nature. It is the protein when muscle contracts that's transcribed. It works on every organ.

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We know that it's critical for the longevity and repair of organs because mice, who are born without the ability to make clotho, die old, very young. Chronologically, they're very young mice, but they die very old mice because they have not enjoyed this protein clotho. We make clotho by the contraction of skeletal muscle.

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on physical activity when I need it for this deep work. So that's the way I apply brain science. But I'm so lucky to be surrounded in the place I am now with people who put EEGs on your head and map your brain and tell you which brain pathways you're too stressful on and which brain pathways we can train. And you can train the physical brain like a muscle.

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Here's a study I did years ago that showed that I measured clotho level circulating in the blood of older master's athletes, people 60, 70, 80, younger master's athletes, 40, and sedentary people. And what I found that the highest levels of circulating clotho, the longevity protein, were in young athletes, not surprising.

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The second highest level of longevity protein clotho were in old master's athletes, 70, 80. The lowest level of longevity protein were in young sedentary people. So even old athletes had more circulating clotho than young sedentary people. So just the contraction of skeletal muscle can add to your longevity through this protein.

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Another protein that's released with skeletal muscle contraction called galanin is transcribed, goes to the brain, works at a place called the nucleus coerulus, which is critical for resilience. It makes you more resilient. It helps you able to problem solve. And then You know, a very popular protein that is transcribed with skeletal muscle contraction is called irisin.

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It's the exercise protein, which, you know, it works on bone. It works on fat to brown fat, from white fat to brown fat, which has higher thermogenesis. It has higher mitochondrial load. So muscle, just in doing its thing, not just looking pretty in a gym mirror, does all these metabolic functions. And so that's why we think It has such a key role in longevity.

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They don't. You have to make it. Contract your own muscles. Well, you need to feed your muscles. I always quote people one gram per ideal pound. Because listen, I'm an actual practicing person, doctor. And Here's what I know. People need really specific instructions and they can't be confusing. So is there a range of protein people need? Yes, there is.

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But people can remember one gram per ideal pound. So you've got to feed your muscle with protein. High quality protein. The highest quality protein has the greatest percentage of an essential amino acid called leucine. Leucine is not made by the body. It has to be taken in from the outside. It's a branched-train amino acid, and you get it from whey protein.

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The best source in the universe of leucine and whey protein is mother's milk, but most of us don't drink that as adults, so we get it from dairy products. You can get it from plants for everybody that is a plant lover. You just have a much lower percentage. You have to eat a lot more of it. So high quality protein, number one.

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Number two, there's a lot of research for creatine supplementation for both men and women. When I first started being aware of creatine in 1992, it was during the Olympics. I was working with a bunch of wrestlers at that time. We would give very, very high doses. We would cycle the creatine. We would come on and off. Now, steadily, five grams a day will help build muscle. It will help build brain.

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Well, it started out for bodybuilders, but it's for everyone. Actually, it's very well studied.

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Yeah, so there's this company called Nestri that I just happen to have access to and they put EEG helmets on my precision longevity clients and we map their brains and look at For instance, here's an example. Things that are habitual take very little brain energy.

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And it's not at all. You know what, despite podcasts like this and despite me screaming from every mountaintop, I find that there still is an incredible knowledge deficit in the general public about the principles of how to be the healthiest we can be. And an even bigger gap in the ability to take action for ourselves. I mean, and it's not a judgment.

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It's simply an observation that we know what to do, but we don't do it. And we know what to do and we don't do it. Even if we see in our family someone who's going through the throes of diabetes or even on to Alzheimer's, it's still not enough motivation. And I think that's the real problem to solve.

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Sometimes we solve it by scares, right? You know, someone has a tremendous health problem, but sometimes that's not even enough. I have found that it is never going to be motivating enough to try to say, okay, if you do this today in 20 years, you're going to be much better. There's this temporal disconnect. People just don't get it, what they're going to be like at 70.

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I think we have to make you feel good every single day. It's like when we were talking about your brain when you're doing heavy work and cognitive work. If you can feel better every single day, you'll continue the behavior, not for a promise. So I think that is the way to to talk to anybody, it's the way I talk to my patients. Can I make you feel better tomorrow?

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Can I make you feel like a badass because you lifted heavy weights today?

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It's hard until you see someone fracture or you fracture yourself. I agree with you.

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Vitamin D, magnesium, lesser known things, strontium, zinc, boron, and micronutrients. But big things, vitamin D, magnesium.

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And a million others are supposed to join you, I noticed.

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So I hear from a lot of runners that, oh, okay, I'm going to lift with my arms because I'm running. So that means my legs are going to get stronger. Well, what I know from 30 years in practice is that runners who only run are hurt a lot. And here's why.

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Even if we need a lot of brain energy, they become so habitual, our brain turns away energy from them versus things we're learning or things we're stressed about. We devote so much energy to that. So once this company maps our brains, then they have this

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Running builds a big cardiovascular engine, but it does not build muscle mass below your belly generally, unless you're running uphill all the time and you're building glutes. So what happens, running is a single leg sport. If you look at a gait analysis, you're on one leg. At a time, you're never on two legs. In walking, you're in two legs. On running, you're in one leg.

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So if my hands are on someone's pelvis, when we're running, we can't be going like this every single stride.

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Oscillating, like we're walking on a catwalk in fashion week. We want to be running like this. Straight. Straight. Well, that takes tremendous glute strength, butt strength, because it's the glutes that balance the pelvis. If we were in my office and you came in with pain as a runner, I would stand you on one leg to see even if in a controlled environment,

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You could do a single leg squat and keep your pelvis stable without your knee falling in. And if you can't, it just tells me that we have a lot of butt core and hip strength to do.

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It might be useful to you as you're training to have a motion analysis, to have someone stand you on one leg and look at the way that one motion pattern is different from the other. Because if it's predictable like that, there's an imbalance in you. And so it can likely be trained. I mean, I can give you an example in my life if you want to see how that works.

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So when I run and when I increase my speed and distances, I predictably, predictably get left Achilles tendonitis and I get right hip flexor, sharp stabbing pain. Predictably. That is because my left big toe, from wearing high heels all my life, has arthritis. So when I run, I don't run through the center of my foot. I run through the side of my foot.

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Where my pinky is. So instead of running through like this, I run through like this, puts extra stress on my Achilles tendon, changes my gait enough... that it's tight all up through the left side of my body, and my right hip flexor is taking the brunt of that. That is a motion pattern deficit that I know I have.

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training program where it's almost like getting your cognitive brain out of the way and let your subconscious brain reapply energy to the pathways that you actually need, that you've begun to ignore, and it makes you more efficient. And I'm being inadequate in explaining it, but brain scientists believe that you can retrain the brain like a muscle and devote energy to neural pathways.

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So if you were predictably getting the same injury all the single time, it's probably due to something's too tight on one side, something's too weak on the other side. And if you get it evaluated, you could probably train it out of you.

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So what we were talking about is joint health and the fact that every bone in your knee, for instance, if this is your femur, the end of every bone has a bumper of cartilage. Cartilage is a matrix of collagen fibers that has cells in it, and its entire job is to shock absorb. So the bones don't do so much of this. Bones are pretty fragile. But they glide.

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Cartilage has, in physics, a coefficient of friction that is less than ice. So it's smoother than ice. It glides, right? If it's perfect. Cartilage is very subject to the forces of weight such that in our laboratories, when we were doing cartilage research and wanted to damage cartilage, all we had to do is drop a marble on it. So it doesn't take much.

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So if we're carrying around a lot of heavy extra weight and we don't have the muscles to support that, instead of muscles acting like a shock absorber and protecting our cartilage, we're banging more. Now remember, banging is good for bones. It's not good for cartilage. So we want to... make sure that we have a healthy weight so that we're not exerting so much load.

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Because it's seven to nine, we talked about last time, seven to nine times body weight pressure across the joints. And so that's why we want to compose our body and have a body composition, not a weight, a body composition of more muscle than adipose tissue.

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So I know we do this to athletes to try to squeeze performance out of them.

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If you break your hip, 50% of the time, whether you're a man or a woman, you will not return to pre-fall function. And 30% of the time, you will die. And there's a lot that causes bone fragility, such as aging, not building enough bone in our youth. It's our sedentary lifestyles, the myth that women have to be teeny tiny.

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I think it's really helpful to know as much about yourself as possible. So if I'm intaking someone into a program we're going to build, I don't, I weigh them. But what's most important is I do a body composition so that we can go through step by step and say, in your current body, you have, I'm making these numbers up, 32% body fat. You have very little lean muscle.

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So even though you may be okay with the way you look in a mirror, You're skinny fat, meaning you have too little muscle and too much adipose tissue. And we talk about all the things we've talked about, about why we need to build more muscle. But when you see those numbers, numbers don't lie, nor are they judgments. But if you're just looking in the mirror, you may say, oh, that's okay.

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or you may hate the little belly roll, but you don't hate it enough. But when you see that you have very little muscle mass and a very high percentage of fat, those data alone are sometimes a motivation. And then If we know that we're going to redo that test in three months or six months and track changes over time, that can be an added motivator. Besides tragedy, data can be a motivator.

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Wanting to feel like yourself again. Women in midlife sometimes just say, I just want to feel like myself again. Well, we're different people after our estrogen goes away. And so it takes a different kind of work to feel like ourselves again. But at the end of the day, so tools wise, I think journals are helpful. Tracking, keeping a record of how you felt on a day, what you did that day.

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So, you know, after the understanding of human DNA, knowing what we're truly made of, It pushed us out of a time in medicine where we've been for the last 150 years, which is observe, and one size fits nobody. Now that we've sequenced the human genome, we can develop health plans, your health plan, my health plan. It's not generic. Here's an example.

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CGMs are, you know, I learned what I was going to learn at three months, but I've had it on for 18 months just because that data spurs me on. Like, oh, that was a really stressful OR day. My sugar spiked up even though I wasn't eating. I must have been very high cortisol. I'm releasing so much from my liver. It just informs me about the inner workings of my body.

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But also, at the end of the day, you have to love yourself enough, Stephen. And I can't make you love yourself. And I can't, a number of harassments in my office cannot make you value yourself enough to invest in yourself daily. And at the end of the day, that's what it's going to take.

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Despite everyone talking about it, despite you having lots of conversations about it, I still find a lot of people who have never heard of perimenopause, which is the decade leading up to the day of menopause, which is 365 days after your last menstrual cycle. On average in this country, it's about 51 days. People have not heard of perimenopause. They've never heard of hormone replacement therapy.

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And they don't know what to do about it. And they're ashamed to talk about it because somehow needing things in this country, if you're a woman... have gone unnoticed, for instance, like, oh, I'm just going to suffer through. My mom never talked about it. So I think the myth that you have to suffer is a myth. There is more known now than there's ever been about how using lifestyle to feel better.

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I always encourage women to make their hormone replacement decision based on science and not fear and to make it early.

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I encourage my patients, even in the mid-40s, to read the books, watch the podcasts, identify a clinician, so when it's time for them to make their decision, they've got everything lined up. And you can take hormones while you're still menstruating. There's no reason not to. In fact, that's what birth control is. Birth control is 10 times the dose of hormone replacement therapy.

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So under careful supervision, you can make your decision very early. What I want people to do is educate themselves. I call it menopausal literacy because we have a very low level of menopausal literacy in this country. I want them to make their hormone replacement decision, meaning, am I going to go on them? Where am I going to get them? Can I find a clinician to help me?

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Number three, I would like them to, as we talked about earlier, Build their unbreakable lifestyle. Develop the habits early, not when they're in the throes of menopause and feeling desperate, but early of lifting weights, of cardio that includes base training and sprint intervals, anti-inflammatory nutrition. Early so that it's just the way you live.

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So that when you're feeling so bad, you're not trying to learn all these things at once.

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Like estrogen and testosterone. So estrogen on bones... acts to control the cell that breaks down bones. We talked about in bone health, there's a cell that breaks down bones called the osteoclast with a C and a cell that builds bones called an osteoblast. Estrogen helps control the osteoclast.

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So even in menopause, when there is no estrogen, we're still building bone, but breaking down bone outstrips building bone. So replacing hormones helps rebalance bone breakdown and bone rebuilding. And if we lose our estrogen around the time of this perimenopause, menopause, we can lose 15% of our bone density.

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And if we don't catch it, because insurance only pays for DEXA scans when we're 65, which is far too late, in my opinion, we're behind the eight ball. So I encourage everyone, once they start going through perimenopause, to get a DEXA scan, whether they have to pay for it at their gym, save up their coffee money, it's worth knowing your bone status.

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When I have people who want to talk to me about living healthier longer and we draw a set of biomarkers, it's not 6,000 biomarkers. It's just a set of about 23 that are beyond regular labs. And I see that, for instance, maybe, Stephen, you have a high load of senescent cells. Well, I'm going to specifically design your gap nutrition according to what you need. You might not need

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I'm glad you asked that. In July, my group and I created a nomenclature called the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause because women were showing up in my office. saying things without prompting. Because I'm a doctor who listens. I sit down on a stool. We have a conversation. I do not chart in front of you. So people talk to me.

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And out of nowhere, women would say to me, Doc, I feel like I'm falling apart. And I don't know what's going on, but I feel like I'm going crazy because I've been told nothing's wrong with me. And I started noticing that more and more as women started coming in with their shoulders not moving, which is an entity called frozen shoulder. And so as I started...

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Looking at this pattern and reading the very few studies that were done, we've known for 30 years that the incidence of arthritis, inflammatory arthritis in women after 50, is much higher than inflammatory arthritis in men. We've known it for 30 years.

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And as I started researching, remember how I said earlier that every musculoskeletal tissue is derived out of the same type of stem cell, the mesenchymal stem cell. All of those tissues—muscle, bone, tendon, ligament, fat— Muscle drive stem cells are all sensitive to estrogen, and without it, several things happen.

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There's something called arthralgia, which is total body pain, meaning your body hurts so much that you can't even get out of bed. That was one of the biggest things I had. I'm an athlete, and I could barely get out of bed because I was so inflamed due to the lack of estrogen. Estrogen is a huge anti-inflammatory agent. So I was totally inflamed. My body hurt. That's called arthralgia.

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Women come in, and I'm not kidding. They come in and they say, my arm won't move. Literally, it won't move. Or I can't hook my bra. That is due to the inflammation of losing estrogen. In Asian cultures, it's called the 50-year-old woman shoulder because it happens to 50-year-old women. It is a sign of the inflammation of losing estrogen.

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We know about sarcopenia, the loss of lean muscle mass, about 20% when you lose your estrogen. We've talked about loss of bone density. We have increased incidence of tendon and ligament problems, Achilles tendon, tennis elbow, patellar tendon, because the collagen fibers of tendon and ligament have estrogen receptors on them. And so everything starts to work less well

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without the presence of estrogen. So I saw all of those things and we gathered the world's data, which isn't a lot. A lot more research needs to be done. And we gave it a nomenclature. We called it and published it as the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause. Because I tell you for sure, Stephen,

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If someone goes into their doctor's office, which in this country is so restricted in the time that we can spend, and says, I have this and this and this and this and this, six things in 15 minutes, it is difficult to get through that. But if someone comes with a nomenclature of, I think I have the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause, my arm doesn't move, blah, blah, blah.

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Immediately, you don't have to go through a differential diagnosis of 600 things. You're like, oh, as a doctor. This paper on the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause has currently been downloaded almost 300,000 times. And to put that in context...

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Some of the biggest journals in the world, medical journals in the world, documented, they did a survey of how many times their best articles had been downloaded. The best scientific journals, their articles are downloaded about 10,000 times. This musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause has been downloaded nearly 300,000, and it's not because... Yes, it's a good paper.

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anything for inflammation because maybe your inflammation labs are good. But historically, what we would have done is say, okay, let's just give everybody the same formula, but now we're able to devise what your body needs at your time. I do the same thing with exercise.

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The need is so great, Stephen, to communicate what the heck is going on with people that I made it open access, meaning you don't have to pay to get this article. And I encourage people to Google it, it'll come up number one, to print it, to read it, to give it to your doctors so that they can understand that you're highly inflamed. That's why your total body hurts.

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That your shoulder doesn't move because you're inflamed. That your knee hurts because you have the arthritis of menopause. And just to build the understanding of what is actually going on with people.

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Well, you know what? Research is a team effort and we all work together. But thank you. It's needed.

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Oh, who does? There are two kinds of arthritis. There's an autoimmune, meaning your body is identifying yourself as not yourself. And that's called rheumatoid arthritis. That is very different than the way I used it today, which is osteoarthritis, which is wear and tear arthritis.

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So wear and tear arthritis can happen through thousands and thousands of repetition on a joint. We were talking earlier about running. It's a thousand steps a mile. It can happen due to trauma.

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I have a lot of, I used to take care of the University of Pittsburgh football team and I had a lot of 20-year-olds with knee arthritis because the impact was so great as linemen hit each other that they would wear out their cartilage. So wear and tear arthritis, osteoarthritis, is loss of the cartilage layer on the end of bone. It causes aching pain. It causes swelling. It causes stiffness.

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And then to the degree that you have it, we can treat you conservatively through a variety of ways, or at the end of the road, we can replace your joints.

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I never say, let's have you do 150 minutes of moderate exercise because I have access to lactate threshold testing where you're walking on a treadmill, running on a treadmill, or on a bike. Every four minutes, we're pricking your finger. And I can tell exactly when your mitochondria, the little energy storehouses in your cells, go from burning fat to burning carbohydrates.

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Here's what I'm telling you. I'm telling you that every musculoskeletal tissue has alpha and beta estrogen receptors. We know that when those sit empty, you will manifest some of the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause. 80% of us do. What I'm telling you is that

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Estrogen sitting in those receptors can prevent bone loss, can prevent muscle loss, can decrease the inflammation of arthralgia and frozen shoulder. So everyone gets to make their own decision. People are thinking beings. They have agency. They get to make that decision to get out of pain and to prevent the musculoskeletal syndrome of menopause based on science and not fear.

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Yeah. How do they live? Not like this, right? They squat. Yes.

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Yes. Well, back pain is endemic in our population due to our lifestyle. We're sitting here for several hours. I'm probably sitting like this all hunched over at some points. Our cores are relaxed. Our front cores are relaxed. Our lower back is relaxed. There's no stimulus to keep our cores strong sitting in a chair. And we do this 10 hours a day at least, right? That's number one.

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Number two, then 70% of people do no meaningful exercise any time of the week. So we never rebuild it. So we get low back pain due to muscle weakness. And another reason we get low back pain, particularly in women or very elderly men, is compression of our vertebrae, compression fractures of our spine. That can be very painful. It presents as low back pain.

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I want to differentiate for people listening the difference between low back pain and nerve impingement that needs surgery. Low back pain is that aching in your low back, the stiffness. When you go to a doctor with low back pain, they should be telling you how to get stronger, sending you for physical therapy, to stop smoking if you're smoking because that poisons bones, right?

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All the lifestyle things. If you have pain starting in your back, but shooting down your leg like electricity, down the back of your leg, like literally, think about how lightning would feel. That is because a nerve is being impinged as it comes out of your spinal cord. That is something that needs to be examined and looked at.

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But I just want to differentiate that because a lot of people mistake the two.

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I do. And walking treadmills. Because there's so much work that we do during the day that isn't deep work. We're emptying out our email. We're returning some phone calls. We're doing the less brain-heavy parts of our job. All can be done standing. Or I've encouraged groups of people that I work with to hold their meetings doing wall squats. Just don't sit at the board table. Pull up a wall.

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Everybody squat. Better be a pretty quick meeting because that takes a lot of strength. But to build in that kind of mobility, the only time we really need to sit is when we're solving world peace.

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And that place is called the fat max. And that is when your mitochondria, your energy organelles, are most efficient. And that's where we want to work out. 80% of the time. So that's just an example of how I'm going to tell you what heart rate you need to work out in.

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The rest of it, we can stand. And in fact, studies have shown that if we're trying to learn something, it's better to be moving as we learn because the kinetic energy of learning is better for our brains. For instance, I used an example yesterday, actually, when I was teaching people how to time manage.

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And I said, when I'm listening to long form podcasts like this, I can't sit for three hours, but I can walk. and listen, and I retain more, for instance.

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The very first one we did on Masters athletes, answering the question, at what age do we really slow down? Because if you believe Hallmark... And all the rest in peace balloons that go around on your 40th or 50th birthday, slowing down is an inevitable part of aging.

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But the fact of the matter is, and our study showed, that when I looked at track and field athletes in every race from 100 meters to 10,000 meters, and I looked at the top eight finishers in every age group in every race, that we do not significantly slow down. until we're past 70. So between 50 and 70, the guy who won the one-mile race finished it in four minutes and 34 seconds.

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The same year of the study, the kid that won the high school mile race did it in four minutes and 17 seconds. The 70-year-old who won the one mile race did it in a little less than seven minutes. It just shows you that if we're slowing down dramatically before our 70s, we've either decided not to train so hard. We're just not trying anymore. We've been terribly injured, right? And we can't.

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Unbreakable goes strong, live long, age with power. And it really picks up the conversation of aging and longevity that I've been talking about for a long time, but really focuses on the longevity of women. So the book is framed around the pillars of aging, which I call time bombs. The time bomb of metabolic dysfunction. The time bomb that we think means our DNA is our destiny, which it is not.

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We can modify ourselves and several others and really explain the science of what's going on and that aging is not an inevitable decline from vitality to frailty unless we cop to that attitude, right? And then the second part of the book... lays out a lifestyle that I call unbreakable. It's about muscle. It's a bone. It's about nutrition. But the most, a very important part is what you just said.

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I'm going to tell you how to fill the gaps in your nutrition instead of just doing broad guidelines because that's the state of the art right now.

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It's about attitude and mindset. And so I help people set standards and goals for what they want based on their values. If I didn't value independence, if I didn't value having my brain till the very end and all the other things that I value, then my goals would be uninformed. I could say, oh, I want to run a marathon at 80, but that's not enough unless it's connected to my values.

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And then further along, we talk about building resilience because brain resilience can be built in the same way that skeletal resilience can. And I believe it takes both of those things to progress and to age with power. And then the final sections of this book really take us to the next level.

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How do we, now that we've optimized our health and decided that we are not the victims of time, I don't believe that. I believe we can shape our future. What do we do for peak performance? How do we continue to squeeze performance out? And what are the cool technologies that can help us?

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Last week, I was speaking at the American Diabetes Association and talking about midlife and menopause, which you and I have talked about, and all the metabolic changes that go on when estrogen walks out the door. And we've already talked today about prediabetes and how we need to put on a big alarm because of all the metabolic changes that will lead to diabetes and Alzheimer's.

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But when I look at those two things separately, perimenopause and all the metabolic changes and the lipid changes and the fat distribution and the insulin insensitivity and prediabetes, they are nearly identical. And what we know is that this is another alarm to sound if we have not paid attention in the critical decade of our lives.

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and become pre-diabetic and then are a woman and lose our estrogen, it compounds the normal metabolic changes that happen with insulin resistance to the loss of estrogen. And after menopause, women have more diabetes and therefore more Alzheimer's. And so if I can back all this up and start people thinking about it when we're 35, that is work worth doing.

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You know what, Stephen, if I could get more men to take the attitude that you've just expressed, to have the curiosity to learn about the changes in midlife women, and not only bodily changes, but attitudinal and the sexuality changes, I think we could save a lot of marriages. But I find that...

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For the lack of knowledge there is amongst the women, there is even less knowledge among the men, but if it's a partnership. So I think your attitude and curiosity is laudable because I think we could save a lot of relationships if everyone felt that way.

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I think how you know when it's enough, when it becomes, if it pertains to work or striving for something or is when you don't love it anymore. When it becomes a grind and you don't love it, that's when it's enough because it's not feeding you.

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Well, I love that question. And the one word answer is yes, every season of our life is different. Let's take bones, for instance. We build, build, build bones until in women we're about 28 and men 30. We reach peak bone mass. we then reach a plateau where we keep our bone density. And then in women, it begins to plummet due to hormonal influences.

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And it's even things like a woman breastfeeding will lose 20% of her bone density in the first six months. But it's not inevitable. And I will lay out a lifestyle that I call unbreakable. It's about muscle, bone, nutrition. But the most important part is mindset.

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For men, men usually maintain their bone density until their 70s when they plummet, unless they have a metabolic problem, an autoimmune disease, or having had the need to take a lot of steroids. And Then you see a big difference at 50. So in bones, that's a good example how every few decades our bones are reacting differently. Muscle is the same way.

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We know that we can gain muscle at any time in our lives, but we do it most easily until we're about 30, right?

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We also know of changes in the way our gut functions as we age, having to do with absorption and the ability of the microvilli in our gut to absorb nutrients and different kinds of nutrients. Women in midlife, for instance, need vitamins that are something called methylated, which means broken down a little more because our gut function is less efficient.

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Well, men, because of the influence of testosterone and the genetics of having XY chromosomes, build more bone initially, thicker cortices, more absolute poundage of bones. And then because of the plummeting of estrogen, which is critical for bone health,

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women lose bone faster than men, such that after about age of 40, when we get to that plateau, women start to lose bone density about 20% by the time they get to their menopause. And that can have dire effects for women, but that is all due to the role of estrogen on controlling bone density.

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It is not. In 2004, we studied a very large group of master's athletes, meaning athletes 40 and older, in the National Senior Games, which is Olympics for people of that age demographic. And the National Games, you have to have won your state games. to qualify. So these were pretty high-level recreational athletes. So we did a study looking at their bone density across time.

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And the first thing, the first study we found was that with chronic exercise, such as these people did, you could maintain your bone density at a very high proportion into your 80s. The second question we asked was, okay, If we know we can do that, what exercise is really important for that? And so we divided the sports up into bounding sports where the bones were being impacted.

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Yes. And it's because of the plummeting of estrogen, which is critical for muscle, bone, tendon, ligament, back. And without it, it can have dire effects. So you need to know the following.

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Like basketball, running, volleyball, anything where you come down hard on your bones versus swimming, bowling, biking. And we found that bashing your bones, impact, was as important in maintaining bone density as things you can't control, like your age, whether you're born with XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes, family history.

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impacting bones, causing them to build up over time is critically important for maintaining bone density. So to answer your question, is loss of bone density inevitable? Loss of estrogen is inevitable. Loss of bone density doesn't have to result in osteoporosis, fracture, and frailty.

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Well, you know what? I'm on a rampage for this year to make bones sexy again. Because here, from a very superficial level, is why we should care. And then I'll tell you from a more scientific level. You know, we only think of our bones usually in a couple times. Like you look in the mirror and somebody tells you, oh, your bone structure is magnificent. Look at this model's bones.

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And we're all touching our cheekbones. Or we think about them when we hear about a great archaeologist. who's just discovered a new people group, and we can tell from our bones how they lived, how they died, how healthy they were. In fact, in that setting, bone is the last remnant of your whole life. It endures the longest. I mean, the history you talk about in your bones outlives anything.

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Muscle goes away, skin goes away, everything except your bones, which remain. That's fascinating, right? But The other reason we even think about our bones is when they break, right? People think bones are silent, like a strong, silent type just hanging back. Until they break and then they're screaming at you, right? And causing frailty.

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And here's some bone stats because the real answer to the question is coming. One in two women will have an osteoporotic fracture in her lifetime. So it's either me or your partner or me or your assistant, right? One in two will have an osteoporotic fracture. Women have 70% of all hip fractures.

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Hip fractures are one of the main contributors to ending up in a nursing home because you can no longer walk and take care of yourself, right? 70% are women. If you break your hip, 50% of the time, whether you're a man or a woman, you will not return to pre-fall function. You cannot go live in that house where you raised your children.

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You may not be able to drive and go be totally independent, right? And 30% of the time, it's a huge number. 30% of the time, you will die, either from the complications of the fracture, from the bed rest, from the infections you get, the bladder infections, just the sequelae of being that sedentary. So those are not meant to scare people.

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There's a light behind the bed. There's ivies dripping with this beeping thing. And it's me and you there. And our entire goal was to give you this poison so that you could live another day, another years, right? The gravity of that, the hope of that was not lost on me. The view of, do you know what women and I would do all night?

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I would come in and out, and we would be shopping on the home shopping network. I only reflected later, like, what were we doing shopping? We were just trying to be normal women in the grips of the most abnormal situation you could ever be.

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But you can imagine, Mel, how could I be 23 years old, live through the most vulnerable part of a woman's life in which she is fighting for her life, and not come out a different person? I took that six years at the bedside of strong, brilliant, surviving women, and it's flavored the rest of my life.

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And there might not be a big correlation between pushing chemo and putting metal in bones, but what it has done is provided for me a deep empathy to the human condition.

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You know what, Mel? I don't mean to cry in public, but I am still a practicing surgeon. I have looked into the eyes of more than 100,000 people in my lifetime as a doctor, and I started as a cancer nurse, right? But I see the future of people today every day when I take call, and this is what it is. And I've got to solve for this. You and I have got to solve for this.

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When your Aunt Mary breaks her hip, and I'm called to the hospital bed to see her, and She is laying there in excruciating pain, balled up at the bottom of the bed with that horrible blue gown on that we put people in. And she doesn't want to be moved up because it hurts too much, right? From bones that she never even paid attention to, never knew she had because we ignored it.

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Now they're screaming. That's number one. Number two, what's happened to her is she's laying there in a pile of her own urine because she was not treated for the gynecourinary syndrome menopause. Her pelvic floor got weak. So many women do not talk about the fact that they become incontinent in late in life and have urinary tract infection. So she's painful.

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She is incontinent, which if she even realizes it is pretty, she feels ashamed about that. I need to do a 45-minute surgery on her where because she's broken her hip, I need to put a rod down that, the size of my thumb, actually. I cannot do that if her heart is not healthy enough to withstand anesthesia.

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And many times, her heart is so unhealthy because she's taking care of everybody else in the world except herself that the hospitalists have a hard time clearing her heart. And do you know what else? She either has a touch of dementia or she has full-blown Alzheimer's. That is the state of women that I see every time I go to fix a hip on call.

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And do you know in her lucid moments what she is saying to me? She is standing there with her daughter. It's usually the eldest daughter at the bedside. She's looking at me. She's looking at her daughter. And time after time again, she'll say something like, I've not always been like this. I don't know how I got here. Don't ever let this happen to you. Don't get old. Well...

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I am not blaming her at all. I see the future of women, Mel. I can't not not cry. If we know we have within our hands to change the trajectory of our future, and if we choose to not be the victims of the passage of time, we don't have to end up like all those women I take care of, 30% of whom after they break a hip will die.

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We can choose another path, but it takes conscious effort and a belief that we are worth it.

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So when we think about living longer, we quantify that as how many years we're going to live, the lifespan. And in the United States, for women, it's about 81. For men, it's 76.4. But what we know from our research is that life expectancy does not equal health span. Those years in our lives when we are healthy, active, vital, joyful...

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What we see is people spend the last 20 years of their life going to a doctor's office three times a week in a steady decline. But listen, that is not the way it has to be.

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And so what I spend every day doing now, not only treating people for bones and longevity, but I am teaching them to build this unbreakable lifestyle so that they are not the victims of the passage of time, which we can all succumb to if we're not intentional.

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Well, when I say things like mobility is medicine, movement is medicine, it's because there is this phenomenon, and I wish I had made this up, called sedentary death syndrome. It is the 33 chronic diseases that kill us in this country. It's everything you've thought of. Heart disease, brain disease, stroke. It is diabetes. All of those 33 chronic diseases...

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that people die of are directly treated by moving. Because if you have high blood pressure, you'll take a pill for that. If you have cardiac disease, you'll take a pill for that. If you have dementia, you could take a pill for that. One pill, moving your body, is the medicine that positively affects them all. So if we want to cure sedentary death syndrome. It involves the medicine of mobility.

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Now, let's just take two steps back so that we acknowledge that we don't control everything in the future. There are legitimately these time bombs of aging that just happen at a cellular level. But the thing is, our lifestyle can control our mitochondria, the energy of our cells. They can control how many bad cells circulate around. They're called senescent cells or zombie cells.

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We can control that by the lifestyle we live. We can control inflammation in our body to a certain extent with the lifestyle we live. And so all these time bombs that age us faster, we are not the victims of the passage of time anymore. If you want to feel better now, then that is an action step. It is not reading more about what could happen to you and putting the book back on the shelf.

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It is learning how to take action to change the trajectory of the future, or else you are a victim of the passage of time.

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So When we look at aging studies, you will often find things like, oh, we slow down when we age, we lose our muscle. And some of that is true, right? It is true. I'll concede that. But in big population studies, like there's a study that was going on when I was at the University of Pittsburgh called the Health ABC.

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They took a cohort, a group of 70-year-olds and just followed them to see what happens. They all slowed down. They developed a lot of body fat. All the things you think about in aging. Well, when you look at the U.S. population, and it's not that different around the world, 70% of us don't do any form of mobility or exercise a day.

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It's like this thing I described to you, 20 hours sitting down, right? So what do we know from those population studies? We know how we age if we don't move. So my group and I, I formed this group early in my career called PRIMA, the Performance and Research Initiative for Masters Athletes. Masters just means people over 35 or 40. Gotcha.

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Yeah, it's a category. So... All of my academic research has been investigating what happens if we take sedentary living out of the equation in terms of our aging. And so I was the principal investigator on a number of studies that looked at bone health, muscle health, brain health, our stem cells with aging, all looking at when do we slow down if we continue to be active our entire lives?

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And we started studying people, active people, they were not professional athletes, asking the question, what are we capable of if we take the variable of sedentary living out of the equation? Can we maintain our muscle mass? Can we maintain our bone density? Can we maintain our brain function? When do we really slow down? And we found that in our active people,

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35, 40 and up, all the way, I think my oldest in these studies were 103, that yes, indeed, you can maintain your bone density. Yes, indeed, you can maintain your muscle mass. Yes, indeed, you can retain the cognitive function in the front of your brain. Yes, indeed, we can stimulate the production of longevity proteins all together.

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with something as simple as moving our legs, walking around, competing in a little sports, because remember, we are designed to move.

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Yeah, yeah. So, you know, the study that you're describing has been published since 2011, and it was one of the first, really, to answer the question, can we maintain our lean muscle mass with simple daily activity? So this series of three pictures has become iconic on the internet. I should have named it because it is everywhere. Gym people put it up in their gyms. But what it shows is this.

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The study was looking at master's age recreational athletes. Nobody was a pro athlete in this. They were mere mortals like you and me.

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Yeah, master just means that you're out of the Olympic pipeline. You're a normal human being. You're a normal human being. So my patients were all normal human beings. So in the study that we're looking at, there are three pictures. I did this study using an MRI, which if you've ever had an MRI, you know, you just lay really still, you go into a tube, and it's really loud in there.

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And all that clanging and banging is we're taking pictures of your body with a magnet. It's such cool technology. So in the first picture... We have slices as if you were slicing up a ham. If you see this picture or if you're imagining it, think of the Christmas ham. There's a bone in the middle. There's a layer of muscle on top. There's a layer of muscle on bottom.

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And there's a very, very thin rind of fat around the outside.

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So if you look at the 40-year-old slice, I call that exactly what you said, the flank steak. Very lean, no marbling, very thin fat that you don't have to do anything with. And when we tested the strength of these athletes, they were strong. Then if you sit around for 35 or 40 years, this is what happens. The cottage cheese picture I call Kobe beef. Kobe beef? I don't even know what that is.

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That is that Japanese cow that they massage and all the meat has all this fat in it. So if we sit around for 30 years, we lose all of our muscle architecture. We become very weak. And you're right. It looks very disorganized. And so this person in the middle picture can't get up from a chair.

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So what are we doing in those last 20 years if we don't pre-plan that? If we don't get in front of this, I call 35 to 45 the critical decade. Why is 35 to 45 the critical decade? Because If I say O25 was easy, by 35, most of us have figured out a little bit to what to do in our careers, unless you're a surgeon like me and you're still training, but figured out some things about life.

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Sometimes by that point, people have made relationship commitments. Sometimes they've made raising other little people commitments difficult. But you are still young enough with youthful vigor, with youngish stem cells to course correct.

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So if 35 to 45 is the time to develop the habits of mobility, to develop the habits of lifting weights, to look at what you're eating, your body is not a garbage can that we just shove whatever in, right? Yeah. I mean, you can burn anything for fuel, but should you be burning the noxious, right?

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Because what happens at 45 for women, and even to some extent for men, is we start going through perimenopause. And it's not a continuation of the game for women. It is a different game. So if we can, in the critical decade, get these habits established, it will not be such a shock as those people who come to my office at 65 and say, oh my God, what do I do now?

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Yeah, aren't we all over for all the cool kids are? Listen, the short answer is no. There is never an age or skill level when the strategic stress you put on your body in the form of all the things, mobility, strength training, smart nutrition, will not dramatically change the trajectory of your health. There is not an age.

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You can still take steps to feel better every day, even if you're sick and you don't feel great every day. You can pick up the phone and talk to somebody in your life. I'm thinking to myself, maybe the only person I still know is the barista. If I'm 97, the only person I know is the barista at a coffee shop, then go say hi to that person every day.

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It's not rocket science, but the basic thing is people don't invest every day in their health and mobility. So critical decade, let's get our proverbial thinking. expletive together. I don't know if I can cuss on your show. You can say whatever you want. Let's get our shit together, people. Can we please stop taking every day for granted because it's easy and you're young?

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And can we please take a minute to notice ourselves? Try to figure out what your body's saying to you, because I'm going to tell you for sure, your body speaks to you every day, whether you're listening or not. Can we please stop abusing ourselves with quite so much alcohol because we can metabolize it when we're young?

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And so what if you've been sitting around for 30 years and you're like, is it too late for me? Am I the guy in the middle picture with the fat rind all over my leg? Listen, remember your primary skill is walking. So if you're doing nothing else right now,

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You put on your headphones, you get up and you take Mel and I with you and you walk around the block because I am not telling you that the first day out the door, you have to do five miles to be successful. You just need to get up from your seated position and invest in yourself.

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That is absolutely the truth. And if you Google, you can find all kinds of examples of people that are seeming anomalies, like mistakes, that they're 92 lifting weights for the first time. Oh, somebody's mother started lifting at 70 and now she's a bodybuilder. That is our troop capacity. to build muscle, to take more steps, to develop relationships. That is our capacity.

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Our capacity and our design is not sedentary living.

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It's what I am. It's my lifestyle. It's not a diet. It is not a six-week exercise program. It is my lifestyle. Because I think people can get overwhelmed with all the information that's out there. What frequency do I have to get on the vibrating plate? How many pounds in my weighted vest? I mean, can I jump? Can I jump on a trampoline?

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Listen, people, we get so caught up in the 99% of minutia when we are not even taking the first step. If we focused on the 1% that we know is true, these things that I... Keep saying and we'll detail for you. If we focus on that, when that is your lifestyle, then you can layer on the complicated stuff. But I really feel, Mel, that we get so caught up in the data overload that we get so paralyzed.

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Even if you're in pain, listen, let's talk about some pain because I am an orthopedic surgeon and people come to me in pain. I get it. You don't want to get hurt by trying something new. I get that a lot. But walking is not something new. That's true. Let's be honest. Or it hurts when I walk. Or I don't have the time. Or listen, I've been doing this so long.

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By the end of the day, I hope that I have changed your whole perspective on aging to realize that you do not have to be the victim of the passage of time and become frail by the simple tools we're talking about today with mobility and all the other things that there is no age, no matter where you find yourself today, there is no age and skill level where it is too late, that your body will always respond to the positive stress you place on it.

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I often say to people, you cannot out excuse me. I have heard it all. If your knees hurt when you walk on dry land, well, then let's go to the local Y, which has a hot pool and a budget program, and let's get in that water and walk, right?

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Even if we have to walk around our kitchen table until we can walk outside, or we have to get up and down from a chair until we can go to a gym, you just have to make the effort because what happens if we don't?

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Joints are the mobile parts of our body. They're comprised of at least two bones, sometimes multiple bones, surrounded by a capsule, which is like an inside skin. Muscles attach around the joint to move it, right? So if we step back and think of the musculoskeletal system, what is that? That is muscles, bones, tendons, ligaments, fat, actually, muscle stem cells.

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All of those tissues that we sometimes put in little boxes, they belong in their own houses, are actually cousins. They are all derived from the same type of cell in the beginning. So they all speak a similar language. Bone we think of, okay, there's on either side of a joint. We think of it as just the skeleton at Halloween, right? Just these structural things, they're hanging out.

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That's all they do is structure. They're like the strong, silent type. You never know where they're there until they say something profound. In Bone's case, it's a fracture. The truth of the matter is, Bone is your body's master communicator. And think about it if we think about how we're formed. There is Bone from the top of our head, to the bottom of our pinky toe, why wouldn't we be designed?

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That bone is not just structural. It is releasing proteins, hormones, osteocalcin is one of them, that communicate everywhere. So when bones release their hormones, I'll give you one example, osteocalcin, it goes to the brain

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And it stimulates the release of something in the brain called brain-derived neurotrophic factor, long word and acronym, which means we build neurons after stimulation from the bone. We know that people with osteoporosis, which means bad bone, weak bone, have more dementia. There is a communication pathway going, right? It's like mind-blowing. Bone sends out osteocalcin to muscle.

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It speaks back to muscle and helps it with metabolizing glucose. Bone sends out osteocalcin to our pancreas, which is where our insulin comes from. So between talking to our muscle and talking to our pancreas, that is glucose metabolism. equilibrium, right? It helps us not be diabetic. If you're a man, osteocalcin goes to your testes and helps you make testosterone.

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So this intercommunication of muscle and bone gives a whole new perspective on just this skeleton in the closet that just...

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However, I also recognize, despite the fact people, you can't out excuse me, I've heard them all. I realize that it is very difficult for people to invest in a future they can't see. And so I learned this concept from the banking industry called temporal disconnect.

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The bankers in this country are trying to get us to save 10 cents a day so that we have some money to retire on, and that is difficult for them. I find the same trouble trying to motivate people or have people motivate themselves to invest every day in their mobility. Because everything we've talked about, if you're 40, you can't imagine what you're going to be like when you're 80.

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And so why do you care? Because today you're doing your thing. So how about feeling amazing today? I can tell you for sure, Mel, that when I hop off a treadmill where I have done sprint intervals and not fallen off the back of the treadmill, or I have added five more pounds to my deadlift, Oh my God, I am such a badass when I do that.

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It's not only for my body, it rejuvenates my brain and makes me have hope for the future because I'm going to be that cranky 90-year-old lifting my own suitcase to the top of the thing. And if my old friends can't keep up with me, then I'm going to travel with some young whippersnappers who can keep up with me. But if I want to be like that then...

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So I have an acronym that I use to help form the ideas of exercise for midlife people. It works for everybody, critical decade, but I call it facing your future. Here are the four components we need to work into our life. Facing your future. F-A-C-E, face your future. Okay. Number one. flexibility, and mobility.

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Meaning, if we do not move our joints through their full range of motion, like an old car sitting in a junkyard, we will become stiff. Because the natural history, meaning what happens in time with our tendons and ligaments, is they become tighter and tighter and tighter. That is the way nature happens if we don't invest in making it not so.

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Pilates and yoga are amazing for maintaining flexibility, mobility of the joints. It's also great for core, a solid core. So that's number one. Number two, aerobic. We must invest in a healthy cardiovascular engine. So how do we do that? Well, we grew up in a time where we were high intensity all the time.

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We know now, and my philosophy on this has changed over the years because I'm a curious, evolving person, that I want to work at the two extremes, meaning most high intensity interval training, and I can name several brands of gyms that do this, work you out in a mid-range where it's not light enough that you're not going to get hurt, and

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And it's not intense enough that it's going to stimulate real change in your body. So these HIIT classes where you're working in the middle zones of your heart range are a good way to get injured and see me in my office on Mondays. So when I prescribe aerobic exercise to people, I say walk or slow biking or low heart rate, any apparatus works.

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I say walk, but hear me, any apparatus works or the ground. Do that, and then we're gonna sprint our guts out a couple times a week. Sprinting does not mean you're Usain Bolt on a track. Sprinting is a heart rate phenomenon. So we're gonna work as hard as we can go so that we're almost so working hard we're going to throw up a couple times a week.

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Literally, that sounds absolutely horrible. This is what happens. You're going as fast as you can. Your fast is probably faster than my fast.

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Well, there is that. There is that. But the concept is low heart rate most of the week. So I'm asking you to walk every day. Yep. And then twice a week after you've done your walk, I'm asking you just to go as fast as you can, whether it's on a rower, an alpine, a treadmill. But here's the kicker. It's only 30 seconds. You can do anything for 30 seconds. So I'm going as fast.

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I choose to do it on a treadmill. So I'm just going to give your audience an example. For my walking, I'm at an incline of four to five. Okay. And a speed of about four. So I'm just going along. I'm listening to your podcast. I'm learning. I use it as a multitask learning time. Okay.

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When I am done with that for 45 minutes, I take off all the apparatus because I need my brain to concentrate, and I hit 11 on the tread, the whatever. I don't even know how many miles. It's fast as my legs can go. And I go for 30 seconds, and then I totally turn it off, and I fully recover. 30 seconds with full recovery. four times. This is what happens. It sounds daunting. It is not.

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It's only 30 seconds. That is going to stimulate more connections between our brain and our muscles to contract better together. That is going to build a big cardiac muscle, right? So let's stop wasting our time in the middle. We can take classes because they're fun, but unless you get these two things in on the ends... In midlife, we're not stimulating ourselves enough. So that's F, flexibility.

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A, aerobics. C, carry a load. Notice I didn't call it weightlifting, although it is weightlifting, but you can do it in your house. You can pick up the five-gallon bucket and farmer's carry across the front yard. We need to lift weights.

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We need to lift heavy and midlife because for women in particular, around 45, we enter perimenopause where our regular cyclic hormones go up, go down, go up, go down, become total chaos as our ovaries retire such that by the time we're 50 and our ovaries have completely retired,

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There is a pervasive myth in this country that aging is an inevitable decline from the vitality of youth down some slippery slope to frailty, where we spend the last 20 years of our lives dying. But the fact of the matter is, we actually can be healthy, vital, active, joyful, But people think that they have to go down this slippery slope and that there's nothing they can do about it.

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We do not have the stimulus of estrogen on our muscles anymore to stimulate our muscles to grow so that we do not become the one in three women who ends up frail in a nursing home or with a broken hip, which I'm happy to give you the dire statistics on that. We must build muscle mass. I am all for Pilates for balance and flexibility.

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I am not for anything except learning to lift heavy to build muscle. So what if you've never done it? There are great online programs. We are not without resources these days. This might be the time to invest in yourself by investing in an expert. You take your car to an expert. Take yourself to an expert and have someone teach you the proper techniques so that you don't get hurt

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walk you around the gym so that you have a friendly face taking you around. You don't need years and years of personal training or strength conditioning coaching to learn. You need a few lessons and then you can build on that. And so once you're starting to lift weights, we want to progressively load to lifting heavy. No mamby-pamby pink weights for midlife women.

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We can put down the little weights in the attractive pastel colors that, I know, I'm being so patronizing that we lift 30 times.

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Well, if we think about this from a purely structural standpoint, muscle is what will help us get up and down from a chair. Right. Right? Want to live alone or have the opportunity to live alone? You have to get up and down from a chair. You have to be able to transport yourself to the bathroom. You have to be able to lift a dish into the microwave.

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But if you want to enjoy your life, you need to be able to be strong enough to get out of your house, right? So from a very practical standpoint. But muscle, like bone, are not just structures. They are metabolic organs that talk to each other in a community. So when a muscle contracts, skeletal muscle like your biceps contract, it sends out all these communication factors. One is called irisin.

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It talks to the bone and helps you lay down more bone. It is critical for glucose metabolism, which is our ability to process our food, right? It is critical for the brain. It goes to the brain. But that's not all. Muscle releases a protein when you contract it called clotho, clotho. Clotho was the goddess of the threat of life, right?

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And it was first described in a journal called Nature about 30 years ago. The simple act of contracting skeletal muscle causes our muscle to make this protein Clotho, which is the longevity protein, and goes to all of our organs and keeps them functioning in a healthy, more youthful way. And we know from animal studies that mice That can't make clotho die old, very young.

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They have the potential to behave this way. Let me tell you about another study we did with this protein clotho. So, if I say to you, contract your skeletal muscle, it's going to keep you younger, and you're like, right. Well, we did this study where we measured circulating levels of this protein Clotho in three groups of people. Clotho, the longevity protein.

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I measured it in active people over 70, and I measured it in sedentary people about 35. Well, not surprising, people in midlife who were active had the highest level of longevity protein. But you would think 35 trumps all. It does not. The active people over 70 produced more Clotho longevity protein than 35-year-old sedentary people. Wow.

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So there is not an age or a skill level when the positive stress that we do with our bodies can't change our health. And this is one simple example through a protein called Clotho.

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But the fact of the matter is there's so much we can do to pre-plan our future.

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Oh, E. E is equilibrium and foot speed. I'm so glad you brought us back to that. Equilibrium means can we balance? Every year from about 20, the neuromuscular pathways that connect our brain to our muscles can degrade. And that's why you reach over for something and fall over, right? Or trip and can't catch yourself.

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So in every exercise program I prescribe, we not only have flexibility and mobility, aerobic, carrying a load, but I teach people foot speed. Meaning we're in my little, we're in our, my office is in a giant performance center. And we're teaching people to rapidly move their feet because this is what I do. I come into my office. I throw my work bag next to my desk.

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And if I'm not thinking when I get up from my desk, I get up too soon and I will catch my foot on my bag. Well, if I didn't have the foot speed to hop over my bag, I would land flat on my face, fallen. We break when we fall. So in my book... We can build all the muscle we want, but if we have no balance and can't stay upright, we can still break. And so I teach people that.

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And, you know, something simple to regain balance that I ask people to do is brush their teeth on one foot, like in tree pose. Because that's one foot. It's usually on a carpet or a bath mat. You're moving your body. So if you alternate legs every day, you will regain the core strength, the muscle strength to stay upright with a little bit of imbalance.

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So on a weekly basis, we need to be spending at least three hours a week walking, broken up into 45-minute sessions. So put on your favorite podcast, go learn all week, right? So that's four, go for a walk four times. At least four times a week, right? At a brisk pace, not so fast that you're out of breath, but not so slow that you can solve world peace in your conversation.

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A minimum of twice a week, minimum of twice a week, we must learn to lift heavy. And listen. How heavy? Yeah, I know. I don't expect you to power lift right out the door, but what I do expect you to do is learn to lift your own body weight. Every woman should be able to do 11 pushups, regular pushups. On the knees, okay? No. Oh my God. But listen, you can build up to that.

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I used to teach classes at Pittsburgh called Start, and I did it for nine years. My starters started out with 51% body fat. They could not hold a plank and literally couldn't walk around the track. Over a three-month period, we met with them twice a week. We did a variety of weight-bearing exercises. They not only completed a 3.2-mile walk run, they could hold a plank for two minutes. Wow. I know.

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We have to start by learning to lift our body weight and progress until we can lift heavy. And what lift heavy is defined as, that is the weight- in an upper body push-pull, so something like a bench press, something like a pull-up, lower body push-pull, something like a squat, something like a deadlift. Heavy means what you can lift four to six times.

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To keep it simple for my people, I'm like, four times, which we want to lift to fatigue. Listen, you don't get there overnight. If we're starting at just body weight, it may take you six months, maybe nine. to learn the technique and to work up, but it is so worth it. And listen, I have plenty of examples of women starting in their 60s. There's no age limit on this.

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So heavy is an individual thing, and it just is something we work towards. So walking, lifting at least twice a week, twice a week when you're comfortable with walking, I want you to get your heart rate up really high. And you had a very simple way of doing that. 30 seconds.

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Complete recovery, it takes me, my example is I can get my heart rate up to about 186, and then I, two or three minutes, I completely recover. It's down to 130, 140. And four times you do that? Four times, and then that's it. And then I work on balance every day when I brush my teeth and foot speed. You can jump around, you can skip rope, but that's something else.

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Well, that comes from the knowledge that on the end of every bone, like for instance, I don't know if we can see this, on the end of this bone. Yeah, your whole, what do you, explain what the hell you're holding. I brought you my- It's like a dinosaur bone. It kind of is, except it's a femur. It's the longest bone in your body. It goes from your hip to your knee. Okay. Right?

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And so when people break their hip, this is what we're breaking. So if your Aunt Mary fell down and broke her hip, this is the bone that she's breaking.

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But if we're talking about this question you ask about why people think that running and exercising and lifting is bad for your joints, it comes from the knowledge that when I had a stem cell lab and we wanted to damage cartilage, which is the smoother than ice glistening end of a bone, all we really had to do is drop a marble. on it because it's very pressure sensitive.

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That being said, our joints themselves require mobility to be healthy because the way we feed our joints is through the pressure of the fluid in the joints.

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It does. Moving muscle, moving joints, lubricating cartilage with mobility keeps everything healthy.

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So, you know, if we step back and look at our bodies, I think nature is very conservative. If we were designed to sit still night and day, we would not be designed with our strongest muscles below our belly buttons. We would be sessile like a mushroom with this giant stalk and all the good stuff on top, right? What does sessile mean?

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And I'm going to give you an example from yesterday of a girlfriend of mine in Lake Nona who was a professional tennis player. But it could be anybody. It doesn't have to be a professional. But through the pounding that she did over her life, she did wear out her cartilage. And so I see this vibrant woman at the peak of her career

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In exactly what you're saying, she has knee pain and arthritis and she's not even as old as us. So I could have taken a purely medical route with her. I could have said, okay, I'm going to shoot you up with steroids every few weeks, which I don't do. But I mean, just I choose not to treat my patients with that remedy only. I could have said, okay, when you're ready for a total joint, let me know.

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But knowing that the body will respond with strength to the positive stimuli, we cut out all the inflammatory foods in her life because pain is an inflammatory process. And if we want to be in less pain, then we have to quit junkifying our diet, primary of which is the added sugar that the American food system has to the tune of 16 pounds, if I remember correctly.

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So, you know, Jabba the Hutt had this, you remember from Star Wars?

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of added sugar a month that we don't even know.

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So I'm not anti-carb. I'm not saying everybody only has to eat protein. I'm saying when you eat carbs, your body responds in a least inflammatory way by eating fiber and complex carbs.

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So this morning here in this studio, I had eggs, which is protein, and some of the most gorgeous complex carb, multi-grain sprouted this and that bread that just came from your local place, which is so much slower digesting, Full of fiber, then a piece of white bread or an English muffin that's going to spike my sugar and it's going to make me inflamed all day long.

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Had this giant blubberous appendage he kind of laid on. Yes. Mushrooms have this giant stalk, which doesn't go anywhere. So if we were meant to be immobile, we would have been designed like one of those two beings, but we were not. We were designed with the strongest muscles below our belly buttons. We have two legs. What is the first independent skill we ever learned? Walking.

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But simply changing the way that you eat can go a big change. And when I say, just to clarify that question, added sugar, turn over any label on a packaged food, it's going to say six grams of added sugar, 10, 15 grams. What? Why? So anyway, so number one, let's anti-inflame our diet. And that's what I told her to do. We really focused on

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feeding the muscle I was going to ask her to build with protein and fiber, right? So that was number one. Number two, people are always interested when they come into me with arthritis. Sometimes we are in pain in our joints because our joints are pounding together, because we don't have enough muscle surrounding our joints to act as shock absorbers. So every step is a pounding, loud motion.

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Instead of engaging our butt, core, and hips, our muscles on the front and back of our legs to shock absorb every step. So the second thing I did for her was to get her back to lifting.

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So do you know, I think women want to be slim so they look good in their clothes, right? Yes. I do. I know. I know. Me too. But I don't want to be slim. I want to be lean. Do you know what nature's Spanx is? No. Muscle. So if you have your same size 4, size 6, whatever your people are wearing. 8, 10, 12, whatever. I don't care what the number is. And we're thin.

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We can be 40% fat and thin and you still got this bulgy stuff coming out the side of your bra. But if you are lean, you are spanked up without having to put on all that elastic. So anyway, that's just my funny way of saying muscle is more than, you know, it can be cosmetic, sure. So for this woman, we're talking about her arthritis. We anti-inflamed her diet. We fed her muscle with protein.

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We got her lifting again so her joints aren't pounding. I put her in a pool. We're in Florida, but everywhere in the country, there's indoor, not that expensive pools. And she does her mobility in a pool, several days a week. She's just there moving all her joints. She was describing to me, she's lunging, she's high-kneeing.

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But doing that, getting the mobility in every joint in her body is without pounding. Hmm. And, you know, she was in the hall yesterday showing me how she's like, Vaughn, I haven't been able to lift my knee up to my chest in years. And there she was balancing on one leg. So listen, that is the whole person approach to arthritis.

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Not just I'm going to stick some cortisone in you and hope for the best.

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But it doesn't make you strong. It doesn't anti-inflame you. Research shows cortisone lasts about three weeks. That is not enough because you can't give it every three weeks. I mean, I don't not medicalize arthritis and joint pain. I give people their own biology back. I use something miraculous called platelet-rich plasma, which takes blood out of your own arm. It's your blood. It's you.

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We spin off 10 billion of the platelets. Blood separates in a centrifuge spinning by weight, and I pull off the platelet portion. We have great research and multiple studies that show you can profoundly decrease inflammation by giving you back your own platelets because they're not just little sacks that make you stop bleeding. but they are sacks of your own growth factors.

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And so when I want to treat someone in a natural, whole way, I give them back what their body is already making to heal themselves.

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Yeah, if you're healthy, absolutely, absolutely.

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It is human nature to move. So what is unnatural, Mel, is not continuing to move.

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You know what? I think sometimes when enough time has passed, you can end up feeling pretty hopeless. I mean, maybe you don't even know how the extra 50 pounds creeped up. Because no one... No one sets out as a goal in life to be immobile and to feel terrible and to be in pain all the time or have to have three closets of different size. That is nobody's goal.

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But I completely understand how time and circumstances can creep up on you, especially, listen, I'm a midlife woman. I went through menopause. I gained the 30 pounds that I then had to get control of and reverse and do all the hard things it took. to get back to feeling like myself again.

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Listen, nothing is free, but if you believe anything I've said today is that, you know, just believe me on blind faith that your body will respond just right now. Get up, put on your headphones and go for a walk, even if it's around your kitchen table. If you're feeling like that, like it's just too late for me, I'm whatever age old. It's just too late.

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Take the first step and do that today and tomorrow. And if you're worried about the work you have to do at home, listen. There is no such thing as vicious police. If you get done with your dinner and you push back and you're like, I'm going to go invest in myself, I promise. Nobody's gonna come to your house and arrest you for leaving the dishes on the table.

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You are more important than the menial tasks that you prioritize over your own health. So if you're just starting out and you're like, yeah, I wanna do something, just start by going back to your basic skill and taking a walk every day for seven days. I don't care how long it is. Once you've done something for seven days, it's a streak. And you don't wanna break your streak.

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You've done it for seven days, right? What if you're traveling? Well, you know you're going to sit there for two hours, walk around these giant terminals in the airport. Just push that suitcase. That counts.

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So you know what, Mel, if there are 300 million people in this country and we know that 51% of them are women, if we share this with 31 million women and they share this with five of their best friends, we will save the lives of 50% of people in this whole country and everybody they love.

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I think that when you look at the statistics in our country and somewhat around the world, that 50, 60, 70% of people do no intentional movement a day. So we get up, We get dressed, we get in our car, we go sit at our desk for 8, 10, 12 hours, get in our car, sit in traffic for two hours. Then if we're lucky, we get eight hours of sleep.

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I think we've had a lot of instructions today and a lot of things people can take little steps up, but here's what's not going to happen if what I'm going to say next doesn't occur. You can read anything you want. You can listen to me talk all day and give you instructions, but until you believe that you are worth the daily investment in your health, then nothing else matters.

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you will not take care of yourself until you believe that you are worth it. And so if I could change one thing, From people like you who are experts at helping people believe in themselves, I want people to believe in love of themselves because self-care is really loving yourself to take care of yourself. So if nothing else, please know that you are worth the daily investment in your health.

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I think it's work worth doing, right? Yes. It's worth getting up for.

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If you add it up, we are probably like a mushroom in one place, 20 hours a day. That is not what we're designed to do. And so all of that sedentary living that we're doing... Because by nature, our organs work better when we're moving, when we're flexing our muscles, when our bones are being pounded. We age due to lack of mobility.

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I love that question because I think that what we do too often is, and I always look over my left shoulder when I do this and say, oh my God, 25 was so amazing. Okay, well, 25 was easy, right? But let's think about that. At 25, I didn't know what you were doing, but I was still going to school. I had no money. I was still going home in summers to live with my parents. And

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We're worshiping that when I contend to anybody listening, and I may have come to this late, I admit. How old are you? I'm turning 58 on Saturday. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I may have come to this late, but now I would say from 48 on, I am the most authentic, the most indefinable. I get to choose, and that comes from the confidence of of experience that I could not possibly have had at 25.

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So I'm not saying anything against my, I have a 17-year-old, I have all the way up to 36-year-olds and children in our blended family. It's a wonderful thing to be young. But if we are so stuck on the past, we will never be able to pivot, literally pivot our brain and our bodies towards the next 50 years. Because the reality is midlife for men is about 37. For women, it's about 40.

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Hold on a second. Midlife. Midlife. For men is 37. Yeah. The life expectancy for men in this country is 76.4. So half of that, you don't even think that you're aging yet, right? Right. But if you really pay attention, and how could life possibly be over at 37? How could it possibly be over at 40? And yet if we don't pivot our mindsets, that's essentially what we're saying.

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I want to backpedal for two seconds and pick up on something you just said. For women in this country, it's all about anti-aging. If I do nothing else in the next year or so, I want us to pivot that narrative because it's part of mindset. When you think of, in society, men growing older, we assign the word longevity. It's like legendary. It's about legacy building.

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It's about reflecting on being... For women, we have assigned this word, whether it is in literature, whether it's in our conversations, whether it is in the products we smear all over, anti-aging. As if, Mel, it's a problem. Aging is not a problem to solve. Aging is the most natural thing we do from the moment of conception to the very last minute of our death.

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It is the most natural thing we do. It's how we age that matters. And so I think to circle back to your question, in my career, it has always been my goal to change the way we age in this country. And we cannot do that if we don't believe it's possible. If I'm going through life thinking, oh, when's the next shoe going to drop? I'm just getting older every day. That is not a hopeful perspective.

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I believe there's never an age or skill level when people cannot change the trajectory of their health.

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Oh, that's so high. When I trained, it was only three.

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So there began this culture that you had to be strong as an ox and twice as smart, which is a joke to say that orthopedic surgeons are just big, burly, athletic men. The fact of the matter is orthopedic surgeons is one of the most competitive disciplines to get into, so it stands to reason that women would want to get into it. Yes.

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So it has taken a long time for the culture to start accepting women into orthopedic surgery, although we're doing a better job now, obviously, than we ever have, but it's going to take us another 50 years to catch up.

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I decided to go into orthopedic surgery because we get to take care of people from the moment of their births to the moment of their deaths. And it's aspirational because if I harness the power of mobility, I can save you from the ravages of chronic disease. So for me, I mean, I love the technical side of putting metal in bones and I use metal No, I use needles now to do arthroscopy.

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I don't even have to make incisions. The technology is amazing, but that would never be enough for me because of just who I am and my mindset around taking care of the whole person. So the fact that I can help people aspire to healthy, vital, active, joyful...

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I'm a much better doctor, and I have a deep empathy and perspective on taking care of the whole person and not just treating you like an ACL or treating... And I'll give you examples of these. Because I was a cancer nurse, so... In the late 80s, early 90s, when I was doing this, there was a tremendous shortage of nurses. And so you get out of college, they say, come train as a nurse.

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And in three years, youthful vigor. In three years, I got another bachelor's degree and a master's degree and started working on 11 Kellogg, which is a cancer floor at Rush University in Chicago. You cannot be 23 years old pushing chemo in the middle of the night to women mostly in the struggle of their lives. and not come out a changed person.

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At the time, most cancer care was done in the hospital. Now it's mostly outpatient. And at that time, nursing was primary nursing, meaning, Mel, if you're in the hospital every month for six months, I would have been your nurse, just me and you. And so in the middle of the night, Chemo is given at night. When I am there with you, and you can imagine, you've seen hospitals, it's dark.

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There is a pervasive myth in this country that that aging is an inevitable decline from the vitality of youth down some slippery slope to frailty, where we spend the last 20 years of our lives dying. But the fact of the matter is, we actually can be healthy, vital, active, joyful. But people think that they have to go down this slippery slope and that there's nothing they can do about it.

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But the fact of the matter is, there's so much we can do to pre-plan our future.